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Stainless steel biab-like apparatus

Post #1 made 15 years ago
by Binoclard
I plead guilty, I like "window-shopping" for hobby-stuff, and being a picky/nerdy designer, I have no problem spending hours trying to find THE tool, it has to be as pleasant for the eyes as practical.

So, in my quest for the true ultimate and elegant pot that will help me in my brewery journey, I stumble upon this link in another beer related forum:
http://www.brygging.no/article.aspx?ID=15&Page=1

It's a norvegian 50L one-vessel system, with a "basket" in the pot, and a crank to lift it.
Very much biab-like, a bit on the very pricey side though (~US$ 1'500)…

I am curious, do you find any advantages over the classic biab? Inconvenient?

As I have no experience in brewing at all yet, I can't discuss the technical pro and cons, but personaly, cost and efficiency aside, I like the design and the implementation of a simple idea ;)

Post #2 made 15 years ago
by hashie
That is a beautifully elegant brewery you have linked, very pricey, but very elegant.

Here is a link to an Australian camping shop. They sell a 40 litre "crab cooker" for $79 AUD. this would work in the same way, all you need to add is the windlass.
Last edited by hashie on 23 Apr 2011, 06:47, edited 5 times in total.
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Post #3 made 15 years ago
by PistolPatch
Hi there Bino,

Looks nice and shiny but practically, this is going to be a very clumsy bit of gear. A bag and pulley system is going to be a lot easier to manage than that solid basket. Most of the height of that basket is unnecessary - it would probably only be about a third full of grain when you pull it out so the upper two-thirds is just an inconvenience.

Another thing to consider is the heights. You want to keep your kettle at a height where you can syphon / drain straight into your fermenter. This set-up is going to require a ladder for you to do this!

The price is also very expensive considering a brand new 50 L stainless pot can be bought for around $250 US. If I was going to spend that much money then I would spend extra and buy a Braumaister.

I would definitely avoid this unit Bino but these things are fun to investigate.

:)
PP
Last edited by PistolPatch on 23 Apr 2011, 18:57, edited 5 times in total.
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Post #4 made 15 years ago
by Binoclard
Thanks for your inputs.

Sure I was tempted, but I am not addict enough to put chf 1'500.– on the thing ;)

I don't think the height would be much more a trouble than a 70L pot on a burner with a skyhook for the bag, would it?

I was just wondering the differences between the 2 processes. The "basket" thing would allow the wort to drain only at the bottom, so creating a grain bed much more like a "classic" system?

I like the "crab cooker" idea… Anyone tried it successfully? edit: the "draining" holes seem a bit huge to filter the wort without the grains, no?

Post #5 made 15 years ago
by hashie
Binoclard wrote:
I like the "crab cooker" idea… Anyone tried it successfully? edit: the "draining" holes seem a bit huge to filter the wort without the grains, no?
My thoughts are that you would still use a bag to line the basket, the basket would just make it easy to lift and drain. :peace:
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Post #6 made 15 years ago
by PistolPatch
Binoclard wrote:I don't think the height would be much more a trouble than a 70L pot on a burner with a skyhook for the bag, would it?
Yeah Bino, it would be a lot of trouble. I brew with a 70 l pot usually doing double batches. This is easy. I can't imagine doing it with the above set-up and when you think about it, it really offers no advantages at all, only disadvantages.

A bag is flexible so it becomes the size of the spent grain when lifted. The basket size however stays large and fixed. Swinging that basket away from the kettle even without such a short chain would be a nightmare and as the base is flat, it would drip everywhere as compared to a bag which tends to drip from a single point.

Go the bag :thumbs:
Last edited by PistolPatch on 24 Apr 2011, 22:03, edited 5 times in total.
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Post #7 made 15 years ago
by Binoclard
I am convinced, back to the first logical idea: a 50L pot with a tap on a gas burner with a bag…

It was indeed fun looking for stuff and methods, I learned a lot, and I still haven't looked into the recipes yet :roll:

I still have tons to read and learn. I think the mash part is clear enough, now I'll figure the hop and the fermentation processes (a bit concerned about the temp in here, it's not even the summer and I have 20° inside…), and I'll hopefully come back with a detailed-first-brew-post in a few weeks :cool:
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