Brew-Day Worksheet- Help

Post #1 made 11 years ago
I'm building a brew day worksheet, so.. hopefully, I won't forget anything either for brewing or for recording in BIABacus.

Now that I have a clear understanding of how to measure wort in the kettle.. thanks to Sections U & V.. I come to another measurement issue that I haven't been able to quite figure..

That is VIF to calculate VAW. The method I plan on using (and I know it won't be quite accurate) is VIF= VFO- KFL

I'd rather have a better method of doing this.. and I'm sure most of you have crossed this bridge in the past. I do mostly 2.5-3 gallon (9.5-11.3 L) batches. I do ferment, usually, in 6 gallon PET/Better Bottles. I'm guessing that I'd have to try to calibrate my carboy from, say 2 gallons up to 4 gallons (or so) and work out a formula that will tell me how much volume each cm is? Then find a skinny ruler that would allow me to drop down thru the carboy hole in order to measure.. ala Section U/V???

Any help appreciated here.

If any one is interested, I could later post the process sheet and ask for a friendly critique :shock: :shock: :lol:
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Bill
Hop Song Brewing-Santa Rosa, California

Post #2 made 11 years ago
Do you already own an accurate digital scale? You can weigh it. There is a tool that comes with the PR1.3T, I believe. Inputting the specific gravity is part of the formula.

I am loving that method.
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Post #4 made 11 years ago
Volume at Flame-Out (VFO) is a crappy/hard number to measure for many reasons. The wort volume is unstable at boiling point. It swells and carries on. Also, if you use an immersion chiller, you have displacement problems so VFO is useful is some situations but even then can only be a pre-check to...

Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW). VAW is best calculated 'backwards'. In other words...

Volume into Fermentor (VIF) plus Kettle to Fermentor Loss (KFL) = VAW

You can measure VIF and KFL in several ways. If you use a plastic fermentor, these have graduations on the side (sometimes inaccurate :roll: but usually in the ballpark) and kettle trub can be measured by pouring into a graduated jug (also sometimes inaccurate so double-check them with plain water - 1 litre of water at room temperature should occupy 1 litre of space/volume). The BIABacus 1.3T does have a weight method of determining volumes which is a more accurate method for several reasons but only use it if convenient to do so.

Remember, any brew day is not predictable so measuring ad nauseum is a job for people like myself, Mad_Scientist and others who want to come up with the most accurate 'averages' for everyone else to work from. Commercial breweries can't predict the results from a single batch and have to adjust each batch. Our batches are far more unpredictable than theirs so don't be worried if your numbers vary at the end of the brew day.

Your main job is to be absolutely sure of the weights and volumes you put in to the brew.
Your next job is to take enough measurements so as you really know if something has gone wrong (usually it is just evaporation rate).
Your last job is to make any necessary/informed corrections before you pitch.

I'm drunk, that's it!
:)
PP
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Post #5 made 11 years ago
M_S..I don't have anything that I could call accurate enough to do that job.. Digital bathroom scale.. but I'd have to calibrate it.. If I can.. I could weigh a few gallons of water and find out how near/ far it is from that golden point.. Might be an idea.. Thanks for that...

Lumps.. I saw that yesterday and thought how great it would be to be able to build templates.. but I had a bit more in mind... that is a step-by-step process and pH measurements at various stages.. along with everything I saw in the work that Al did. Thanks for that...

PP.. Drunk again.. reminds me of a song... Drunk last night.. drunk the night before.. I got drunk like I ....

VFO.. I do two things.. Pull the chiller coil and place on a Star-San towel for the minute it takes to take the reading.. then back while the temp is still above 200*F. Still hot enough to re-sterilize it.
VAW.. I made a mistake in my OP above.. I said "That is VIF to calculate VAW. The method I plan on using (and I know it won't be quite accurate) is VIF= VFO- KFL". I really meant something similar to what you put dow. I KNOW the volume in the kettle once it has cooled.. I also know how much I leave in the kettle after I rack everything into the fermenter. So, unless I don't understand VAW.. I would consider the VIF = VAW (everything in the kettle) - KFL (everything left in the kettle as measured in a graduated cylinder or measuring cup).

Anyhow, I also come from a science background.. and have the anal-ness of wanting to write everything down.. at least until I get to the point where I feel I have the freedom to eliminate some measurements.. like multiple pH readings :) ... Thanks for that.

Anyhow.. attached is a rough draft of what I have in mind. I do this because, in my old age, it seems I often forget to either add something (like Irish Moss or ?) or, in the case of BIAB, to take enough measurements and record them.. This way.. I'll have an evolving worksheet to help me out. I'd love to figure a way to put this in TEMPLATE FORM. :)
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Bill
Hop Song Brewing-Santa Rosa, California

Post #6 made 11 years ago
Bill , have you checked out brewersfriend for their BIAB brewday checklist ? Not as indepth as yours ,bit , does have a few other steps to be considered. FWIW I do think you have a good checklist going. I just always seem to forget some things too.
Joe
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Post #7 made 11 years ago
I've checked out many things on Brewers Friend.. I'm not a subscriber.. but, guess I'll have to revisit some others other than just the calculators.
Bill
Hop Song Brewing-Santa Rosa, California

Post #8 made 11 years ago
I'm not a subscriber either. They just have some features that I do like. I do like their water chemistry calculator, and their brew day work sheet is nice for all my notes to transfer to my Biabacus files.
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Post #9 made 11 years ago
Don't have time to study this thread in detail but a checklist can be an excellent tool as it forces you to pre-think yur brew-day and this is always a great thing.

The Brewer's Friend one is a good starting point*. The Checklist on this site hasn't been revised in years but is probably a good starting point as well so check those to make sure you haven't missed anything important to you.

As time goes by, your checklist will need to be less detailed. Some brewers never use one at any time in their career and that is fine also. Do what suits you. The other thing to remember is that my checklist might need to be a lot different to yours. See * below.

;)
pp

* In the Brewers Friend Checklist, on a quick scan, I thought most of it looked fine/very good but it misses in pouring in grain (obvious to many but not to new brewers), and is based around ales, not lagers. Also assumes fast chilling and using a secondary. All these things are fine but help show that any one checklist will not apply to all brewers.

Only 'error' I saw was in cold crashing. I think this should not be done if you are natural priming.
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Post #10 made 11 years ago
PP :shoot: , I use their worksheet to have something on paper. I do have to add lines so that I have everything written to input on my Biabacus file. I was trying to find the brewsheet thread that I add to the backside of the Brewersfriend worksheet, but I could not find it. Good thing I printed one!!
I did forget about "The Checklist" though.
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