Post #1476 made 12 years ago
Al, glad to hear that re uploading the file wasn't too hard :peace:.
alanem wrote:PP The BIABacus file I have now attached... I saved it in Open Office as XLS
Yep, that is fine. You can open, change and use it in OpenOffice and LibreOffice without any problems at all as long as you remember to always save it as .xls. As for that warning thing, you will get that even if using Excel. It's really just telling you that you are saving it in an older format. Forget about it ;).

So the file you attached is great! The only thing that happen when you use OpenOffice or LibreOffice is the colours get changed a bit. All formulas, protection, everything else stays the same.

As for a blank BIABacus, finding the latest one is a bit hard atm as time has not been on our side. All you have to do though to get a blank is delete the fields in any BIABacus. I'll attach a blank PR1.3I for you here though ;).
BIABacus PR1.3I - Blank.xls
Now to the Plan :party:...

The Plan

Here are the key points. (Forget the small decimal places below. I am just putting them in to prevent distortions).

1. Fill Kettle A with 12.25 L of cold water and heat to 72.6 C. At this point, that water will have expanded to 12.49 L (see SWN in Section K).

2. Add bag and 3835 grams of grain to the Kettle.

3. Mash this for 30 minutes.

4. Whilst Kettle A is mashing, fill Kettle B with 12 litres of cold water (see 'Water Used in a Sparge' in Section W) to 66 C.

5. After 30 mins, pull the bag from Kettle A, giving it a quick squeeze. Dump the bag into Kettle B. The bag will remain in Kettle B whilst Kettle A undergoes a boil so make sure you insulate Kettle B as best as you can.

6. Add 2.5 L of cold water (or 2.6 L of boiling water) to Kettle A and bring it to the boil. (See "Water Added Before the Boil" in Section W.)

7. Thirty minutes into the boil, make you r first hop addition. This will be one half of 12.5 grams i.e. 6.25 grams.

8. Continue to make "half" the hop additions as appropriate ie 20 mins before boil end and then again at the boil end.

9. At the end of the boil, place the lid on this kettle and put it somewhere to cool. (Consider chilling it in the laundry sink if you want a fast chill.)

10. Now remove the bag from Kettle B after giving it a squeeze.

11. Bring Kettle B to the boil.

12. Add the other "half" of each hop addition as and when required during the boil.

13. At end of boil, put lid on kettle and no or fast chill as required.

14. When cooled to pitching temp, carefully decant wort from each kettle into fermentor and pitch.

That's it ;).

In the BIABacus file, there is a Y beside Hopsock in Section Y. If you carefully decant (transfer) the wort from the kettles to the fermentor, you should get similiar trub results as if you did use a hopsock.

I decided on 30 minutes for the first "mash" as the figures I have kept on past brews shows that 30 minutes into a 90 minute mash gets you about half-way to your gravity goal.

The only problem with this whole scenario is that you won't be able to take any meaningful volume or gravity readings until you get everything into the fementor but that is no big deal. For future reference though, if you do get time, it would be valuable to collect some volume and gravity reading at the beginning and end of each kettle's boil. Don't make it a huge priority though.

Initially I said this would only be about 20-25 mins longer than a normal brew day. I was probably drunk or something. It will actually add about 40 minutes to the brew day assuming it takes 10 minutes for you to get from mash temperature to boiling point.

Hope this all makes sense Al ;),
PP
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Post #1477 made 12 years ago
Well well PP, how fortunes do turn around, after all the time we spent on 2 pot brewing etc I dropped into a garage sale on Saturday and lo and behold I come across a guy who had bought a 40ltr SS Kettle so he was selling his old 30ltr aluminum kettle, anyway after a bit of a haggle we agreed on $40 which I gladly snapped up, so now I own a 30ltr kettle. Whooopeee!

Once again PP I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your guidance and help sorting out the 2 kettle BIAB, it's things like that which make BIABrewer. Info the best home brew forum in Aussie, thank you PP.

Ok so now I start setting up a biabacus for 15 - 16ltr brews, although I may need some help along the way if possible, but I do have a sorta basic understanding of it for now. Anyway once again many thanks
cheers
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Post #1478 made 12 years ago
Looking to brew my first BIAB with all new gear and want to start off with an American IPA. I have a 50L stock port (40cm x 40cm) for it.

I looked at a few recipes and what ingredients I can easily get my hands on, would the following work?

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Recipe Overview

Brewer: BungBrew
Style: IPA
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.075
IBU's (Tinseth): 50
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.67
Colour: 21.4 EBC = 10.9 SRM
ABV%: 7.26

Efficiency into Kettle (EIK): 74.5 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 67.1 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures
Mash: 60 mins at 65 C = 149 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 6 days at 16 C = 60.8 F

Volumes & Gravities
Total Water Needed (TWN): 38.74 L = 10.23 G
Volume into Kettle (VIK): 34.62 L = 9.15 G @ 1.058
End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A): 25.53 L = 6.74 G @ 1.075
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 23 L = 6.08 G @ 1.075
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 21.3 L = 5.63 G @ 1.019 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)
78.3% Barrett and Burston Pale (4 EBC = 2 SRM) 6798 grams = 14.99 pounds
3.6% Fawcetts Med Crystal (150 EBC = 76.1 SRM) 314 grams = 0.69 pounds
18.1% Weyermann Munich 2 (22 EBC = 11.2 SRM) 1569 grams = 3.46 pounds

The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)
25.8 IBU Topaz Pellets (16.7%AA) 19.4 grams = 0.686 ounces at 60 mins
22.7 IBU Columbus Pellets (16%AA) 19.4 grams = 0.686 ounces at 45 mins
1.5 IBU Cascade Pellets (5.5%AA) 9.7 grams = 0.343 ounces at 10 mins
0 IBU Cascade Pellets (5.5%AA) 9.7 grams = 0.343 ounces at 0 mins
0 IBU Cascade Pellets (5.5%AA) 19.4 grams = 0.686 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)

Mash Steps
Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash) for 60 mins at 65 C = 149 F

Miscellaneous Ingredients
0.5 Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil) 15 Mins

Chilling & Hop Management Methods
Hopsock Used: Y
Whirlpool: 0 mins after boil end.
Chilling Method: No Chill

Fermentation& Conditioning
Fermention: Safale US-05 for 6 days at 16 C = 60.8 F

Secondary Used: No
Crash-Chilled: No
Filtered: No
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Post #1479 made 12 years ago
BungBrew - I can't really comment much on the recipe as it is always personal preference, if I were doing it though I prefer lower gravity (5-6% ABV) and more hops (hophead).

However, procedurally I would definitely recommend you increase your mash time to at least 90 minutes. It has been mentioned a few times (you could try searching for it) but there is value in waiting a little longer during mash as well as mashing out (78C). :luck:
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Post #1480 made 12 years ago
Going to brew a NB Brickwarmer Ale. Anything I'm missing in my spreadsheet?

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Recipe Overview

Brewer: Northern Brewer
Style: American Amber Ale
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.062
IBU's (Tinseth): 31.2
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.5
Colour: 13.3 EBC = 6.7 SRM
ABV%: 6

Efficiency into Boil (EIB): 81.2 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 73.2 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures
Mash: 90 mins at 66.7 C = 152 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment:

Volumes & Gravities
(Note that VAW below is the Volume at Flame-Out (VFO) less shrinkage.)

Total Water Needed (TWN): 34.62 L = 9.15 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 32.12 L = 8.48 G @ 1.046
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 23.12 L = 6.11 G @ 1.062
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 20.83 L = 5.5 G @ 1.062
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 19.29 L = 5.1 G @ 1.016 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)
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69.6% English Maris Otter (9.41 EBC = 4.8 SRM) 4146 grams = 9.14 pounds
8.7% Torrefied Wheat (1.47 EBC = 0.7 SRM) 518 grams = 1.14 pounds
13% Ashburne Mild (3.78 EBC = 1.9 SRM) 777 grams = 1.71 pounds
4.3% English Dark Crystal (11.46 EBC = 5.8 SRM) 259 grams = 0.57 pounds
2.2% Bairds Carastan Malt (3.96 EBC = 2 SRM) 130 grams = 0.29 pounds
2.2% Fawcett Pale Chocolate Malt (22.4 EBC = 11.4 SRM) 130 grams = 0.29 pounds



The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)
25.6 IBU US Magnum Pellets (11%AA) 23.6 grams = 0.832 ounces at 60 mins
5.6 IBU Styrian Goldings Pellets (5%AA) 31.5 grams = 1.11 ounces at 10 mins


Mash Steps

Mash Type: Single Infusion Mash - 90 mins at 66.65 C = 151.97 F
Mashout for for 10 mins at 76.7 C = 170.06 F
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Post #1481 made 12 years ago
Hi matteo35

I think your file is corrupt so I couldnt check that.
The print looks ok to me though, but I do have a few questions (out of interest more than anything).

What is ashburne mild?
Are those colour values correct? 11 SRM seens a little light for a chocolate malt (approx 500 normally), Or is that total SRM value/contribution :scratch:
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Post #1482 made 12 years ago
mally wrote:Hi matteo35

I think your file is corrupt so I couldnt check that.
The print looks ok to me though, but I do have a few questions (out of interest more than anything).

What is ashburne mild?
Are those colour values correct? 11 SRM seens a little light for a chocolate malt (approx 500 normally), Or is that total SRM value/contribution :scratch:
Lol, I have no idea what ashburne mild is. That's from the Northern Brewer recipe, so I have to look into that a little more and see if my local brewstore has it. Otherwise, I will get it from Northern Brewer. I don't know anything about SRM values. What I did was go to:

http://www.brewersfriend.com/srm-calculator/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and put in the grain type, the amount of grain in lbs, and the final volume. I can easily assume that this is not correct, but I wasn't really sweating the SRM stuff since it's essentially a stock recipe that I'm adapting to my equipment.


I will redo the spreadsheet. I tried opening through google docs and then exporting it back out. Looks like that didn't work to well. I will open the native excel file and then upload that.
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Post #1483 made 12 years ago
I'm about to embark on my first BIAB after several partial mash brews. Below is the recipe I am starting with.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f69/three-f ... ne-303478/

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: English Ale
Yeast Starter: Recommended
Batch Size (Gallons): 6
Original Gravity: 1.065
Final Gravity: 1.018
IBU: 65
Boiling Time (Minutes): 60
Color: 8.5
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 10
Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 10
Tasting Notes: Been brewed multiple times with S-04 and WY1968, both with very favorable results.

Batch Size: 6 gallons
Estimated Original Gravity: 1.065
Estimated Final Gravity: 1.018
Estimated Color: 8.5 SRM
Bitterness: 65.9 IBU
Mash Temp: 152 F

Ingredients Amount Item Type % or IBU
11.75 lb 2 Row (2.0 SRM) Grain 81.7 %
1.13 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 7.8 %
0.50 lb Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.5 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 3.5 %
0.50 lb Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 3.5 %
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (15 min) Hops 21.1 IBU
0.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (First Wort Hop) Hops 17.0 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (10 min) Hops 15.4 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (5 min) Hops 8.5 IBU
1.25 oz Citra [12.40%] (1 min) Hops 1.8 IBU
3.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop 10 days) Hops -
SafAle English Ale (S-04)
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Wyeast 1968

My kettle is a 15 gallon spike brewing and is 41.9 cm diameter and 43.2 cm tall. I would like to end up with roughly 20.5 liters into the fermenter so that I end up bottling around 5 gallons. I just downloaded BIABucus and am playing around with it but would certainly like to make sure I get it right.

Thanks
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Post #1485 made 12 years ago
Here is the recipe report but I am unable to attach the file (due to the computer I am using an inablity to upload anything).


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Recipe Overview

Brewer:
Style:
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.065
IBU's (Tinseth): 80.6
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 1.24
Colour: 16.7 EBC = 8.5 SRM
ABV%: 6.29

Efficiency into Kettle (EIK): 76.6 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 65.7 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 66.7 C = 152.1 F
Boil: 60 min
Ferment:

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 33.82 L = 8.93 G
Volume into Kettle (VIK): 30.72 L = 8.11 G @ 1.053
End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A): 23.86 L = 6.3 G @ 1.065
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 20.45 L = 5.4 G @ 1.065
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 18.94 L = 5 G @ 1.016 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

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81.7% 2 Row (3.9 EBC = 2 SRM) 5584 grams = 12.31 pounds
7.9% Munich (19.7 EBC = 10 SRM) 537 grams = 1.18 pounds
3.5% Carafoam (3.9 EBC = 2 SRM) 238 grams = 0.52 pounds
3.5% Caramel/Crystal (118.2 EBC = 60 SRM) 238 grams = 0.52 pounds
3.5% Melanoiden (39.4 EBC = 20 SRM) 238 grams = 0.52 pounds




The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

42.4 IBU Citra Pellets (12.4%AA) 36.8 grams = 1.297 ounces at 60 mins (First Wort Hopped)
12.6 IBU Citra Pellets (12.4%AA) 22.1 grams = 0.778 ounces at 15 mins
15.4 IBU Citra Pellets (12.4%AA) 36.8 grams = 1.297 ounces at 10 mins
8.4 IBU Citra Pellets (12.4%AA) 36.8 grams = 1.297 ounces at 5 mins
1.8 IBU Citra Pellets (12.4%AA) 36.8 grams = 1.297 ounces at 1 mins
0 IBU Citra Pellets (12.4%AA) 88.2 grams = 3.112 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)



Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash) for 90 mins at 66.7 C = 152.06 F

Fermentation& Conditioning

Fermention: S04
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Post #1487 made 12 years ago
TXTom wrote:Here is the file finally. Thanks for your help all.
This looks good to me.

You have 6 ozs. of hops in the kettle, are you going to use a hop spider for your hop management?

90 mins. boils are recommended, if you can do that, give that a go too.

:peace:
MS
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Post #1488 made 12 years ago
Yes, I am using a spider with a large hop bag. I'm not opposed to a 90 minute boil but when would I add the first wort hops with a 90 minute boil? Would I combine with the 60 minute addition or add earlier?

Thanks

Post #1489 made 12 years ago
TXTom,

In a 90 or 60 minute boil you add FWH (First Wort Hopping) As soon as you pull the bag. The whole idea of FWH in that you have the hops in the wort at mashing temperatures. As they rise from (152F or 66.6C??) to the boil. The hops sitting in the warm mash temps rising too the boil works some mysterious magic that makes the first hops (bittering hops) less harsh, more mellow and whatever benefits others tag it with? I do it a lot but I haven't the pallet to say if it works or not??
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Post #1490 made 12 years ago
Hi guys. I'm working on setting up my first BIAB (in a very limited fashion as my kettle is only 20L) - I'm not bothered about dilutions on my first run, just want an easy brew day and to keep the bottling session quick and not too daunting. So I'm settling for making 10L (20x 500ml bottles). For completeness my FV is a standard 23L.

I'm going with the suggested newbie Amarillo APA but substituting with Chinook whole hops, of which I have a load of in my freezer needing to be used up.

Hops-wise I have a muslin bag which I can use as a hop teabag (not quite a hop sock) as I don't have a hop spider or anything like that.

Please see the attached BIABacus file which I think I've adjusted correctly...

The BIABacus gave me the following grain bill based on my adjustments:

Maris Otter - 2033g
Munich 1 - 407g
Cara Amber - 203g

For this I've ordered the closest matches from my preferred online shop:

Maris Otter Pale Malt Crushed 2kg
Cara Munich Type I Malt (crushed) 500g (I will probably just put all of this in, no use having 93g of a speciality grain knocking around... or is there?)
Cara Amber (crushed) 500g (obviously I can save some of this for a future brew)

I would usually not rush to order these things but I go away on Thursday morning for 10 days and was hoping to have this in the fermenter ready to bottle when I get back!

A few questions:

1) There seem to be various fields where I can type my own information in. I understand that to be cross-compatible the file cannot have drop-down lists. However is there somewhere I can find a list of possible entries? E.g. the grains section, is there a lookup table which affects the colour values? What can I enter here? And in the chiller section, it has "Immersion chiller" pre-populated. What can I enter in here to signify that I'm basically going to be dumping my kettle in iced water, and keep replacing the ice for as long as it takes?

2) I will batch prime, probably with normal white table sugar dissolved in a minimal amount of water, before bottling in 500ml bottles. Am I guessing that the best way to get my total amount of priming sugar is to put the final wort volume into "Secondary Vol"? Do I need to convert the amount of corn sugar stated into plain table sugar?

3) Are there any glaring errors in my thoughts/file edits above?

Thanks!
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Post #1491 made 12 years ago
I don't use BIABacus or any other software normally so I can't really help you on question one? But keep everything sanitary and covered when cooling down to pitching temperatures.

Here is some helpful sugar information that you should bookmark.

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter11-3.html

http://www.northernbrewer.com/priming-sugar-calculator
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Post #1492 made 12 years ago
do_you_realise wrote:Hi guys. I'm working on setting up my first BIAB (in a very limited fashion as my kettle is only 20L) - I'm not bothered about dilutions on my first run, just want an easy brew day and to keep the bottling session quick and not too daunting. So I'm settling for making 10L (20x 500ml bottles). For completeness my FV is a standard 23L.

I'm going with the suggested newbie Amarillo APA but substituting with Chinook whole hops, of which I have a load of in my freezer needing to be used up.

Hops-wise I have a muslin bag which I can use as a hop teabag (not quite a hop sock) as I don't have a hop spider or anything like that.

Please see the attached BIABacus file which I think I've adjusted correctly...

The BIABacus gave me the following grain bill based on my adjustments:

Maris Otter - 2033g
Munich 1 - 407g
Cara Amber - 203g

For this I've ordered the closest matches from my preferred online shop:

Maris Otter Pale Malt Crushed 2kg
Cara Munich Type I Malt (crushed) 500g (I will probably just put all of this in, no use having 93g of a speciality grain knocking around... or is there?)
Cara Amber (crushed) 500g (obviously I can save some of this for a future brew)

I would usually not rush to order these things but I go away on Thursday morning for 10 days and was hoping to have this in the fermenter ready to bottle when I get back!
I am attaching an alternative file to show a 10 L batch of bottled beer, volume into packaging-VIP (20x 500ml), by using the grain you have ordered and crushed. By using 1 kg more of grain and reworking the grain percentages around a bit (72.5%, 18.5%, 9%) 2000g, 500g, 250g...

I wouldn't worry a bit about the 5% auto-adjust efficiency I set, it's well within standards.

Relax, do what you want one your first brew, it's all good. :)
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Post #1493 made 12 years ago
We my zombie dust clone brew went ok last weekend and have identified a few areas to improve on and am brewing again this coming weekend. I have an all grain kit from Northern Brewer that I am going to try for this one:

http://www.northernbrewer.com/documenta ... hStout.pdf

In order to convert this recipe, would it be acceptable to enter into BIABacus and then adjust the desired VIF until the modified grain bill is very close to the kit grain bill (since I can vary the grains)? Also, how do I enter non-grains such as candy syrup? I searched around the site but couldn't find anything. I'm assuming it has something to do with section Y but I don't know what values to use.

Thanks
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Post #1494 made 12 years ago
Here is the file that I have been working on for this brunch stout if anyone wants to take a look. As you will see, I adjusted the VIF until the revised grain bill was the same as the original recipe.
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Post #1495 made 12 years ago
TXTom wrote:Here is the file that I have been working on for this brunch stout if anyone wants to take a look. As you will see, I adjusted the VIF until the revised grain bill was the same as the original recipe.
You should adjust Section D EOBV-A to match what you have in Section K (to get technical), but with a Northern Brewer kit we don't know what the AA% of the hops are (you just toss in the hops they give you).

This file looks pretty good to me otherwise.

Here is the link PP posted about this EOBV-A thing about NB; viewtopic.php?f=5&t=286&p=29597&hilit=+northern+brewer#p29597
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Post #1496 made 12 years ago
I'm looking to do my first BIAB and using the BIABacus to analyze a recipe from Beersmith for a Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale clone. I "think" I'm understanding what information needs to go where but I'm coming up short on FG and ABV. The original recipe is 5 gallons and I'm scaling to 2.5 gallons. The recipe FG is 1.013 while BIABacus is coming up with 1.018...is that close enough or is there a problem somewhere?

Oh, and I'm confused by section K. TWN is less than SWN? Not sure I understand that. How much water do I start with?

Thanks!!

Post #1497 made 12 years ago
Welcome to the forum ontherivet ;)

Beersmith recipes usually don't have enough critical information to copy completely accurately ontherivet. What you can do is post the .bsm file if you have it (or a link to the Beersmith recipe) and also post up your BIABacus file. That will make things much easier to sort out and that FG discrepancy does warrant investigation.

On a pure (full-volume) BIAB where all the water for the brew is used in the mash, SWN is slightly higher than TWN as water expands as it increases in temperature.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1498 made 12 years ago
Welcome OTR to the forum!

The "Estimated Final Gravity" you see in Section R is adjusted in Section H with the attenuation setting. I like using this tool to find my actual attenuation of my Actual FG.

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Post #1499 made 12 years ago
Thanks guys. I actually tweaked the attenuation after my post and did see the impact. Dropped the FG to 1.014 assuming max attenuation. I have no idea what sort of assumption to make there. And let's see, the other area I was questioning was in D with respect to plugging the EOBV or IBUs...I plugged IBUs as it seemed to produce the most credible result.

Here's the recipe I'm working from: http://beersmithrecipes.com/viewrecipe/ ... -ipa-clone

And here's my BIABacus file:


BIABacus Pre-Release 1.3 RECIPE REPORT
BIAB Recipe Designer, Calculator and Scaler.
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Sierra Nevada Celeration IPA - Batch 1

Recipe Overview

Brewer: Don
Style: IPA
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.07
IBU's (Tinseth): 72.9
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 1.04
Colour: 30.6 EBC = 15.5 SRM
ABV%: 7.22

Efficiency into Kettle (EIK): 79.8 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 68.4 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 66 C = 150.8 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 14 days at 19.5 C = 67.1 F

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 19.2 L = 5.07 G
Volume into Kettle (VIK): 17.84 L = 4.71 G @ 1.045
End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A): 11.02 L = 2.91 G @ 1.07
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 9.45 L = 2.5 G @ 1.07
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 8.75 L = 2.31 G @ 1.014 assuming apparent attenuation of 80 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

Note: If extracts, sugars or adjuncts are not followed by an exclamation mark, go to www.biabrewer.info (needs link)

88.4% Pale Malt (2 Row) (4 EBC = 2 SRM) 2885 grams = 6.36 pounds
3.7% Crystal (120 EBC = 60.9 SRM) 121 grams = 0.27 pounds
3.7% Crystal (240 EBC = 121.8 SRM) 121 grams = 0.27 pounds
2.4% Cara-Pils/Dextrine (4 EBC = 2 SRM) 78 grams = 0.17 pounds
1.8% Pale Chocolate Malt (405 EBC = 205.6 SRM) 59 grams = 0.13 pounds




The Hop Bill

31.9 IBU Chinook Pellets (13%AA) 12.8 grams = 0.45 ounces at 60 mins
15 IBU Centennial Pellets (10%AA) 8.5 grams = 0.3 ounces at 45 mins
25.2 IBU Centennial Pellets (10%AA) 17 grams = 0.601 ounces at 30 mins
0.8 IBU Cascade Pellets (5.5%AA) 17 grams = 0.601 ounces at 1 mins
0 IBU Cascade Pellets (5.5%AA) 17 grams = 0.601 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)
0 IBU Centennial Pellets (10%AA) 17 grams = 0.601 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)
0 IBU Chinook Pellets (13%AA) 17 grams = 0.601 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)


Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash) for 90 mins at 66 C = 150.8 F










Miscellaneous Ingredients








Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: N

Chilling Method: Chiller

Fermentation& Conditioning

Fermention: California Ale (WLP001) for 14 days at 19.5 C = 67.1 F

Secondary Used: No
Crash-Chilled: No
Filtered: No


Condition for 30 days.


Special Instructions/Notes on this Beer

Post #1500 made 12 years ago
otr, thanks for providing the link and it is great to see you are asking exactly the right questions :salute:. One more thing to do that would be excellent would be to post your actual BIABacus file. The report above is great but the file itself will ensure that we don't miss anything and can easilly make corrections if necessary.

I said above that you were asking the right questions. The question you asked about Section D was excellent for two reasons...

Firstly, IBU formulas in software have been severely bastardised. There are many errors floating around even in major commercial software. Worse still, there are three common formulas used to estimate bitterness and they can all give outrageously different results. (Search this site for "Tinseth, Garetz and Rager" for more info.) Tinseth is the best to use in all-grain. Any credible recipe report should clearly state which formula is being used but you hardly ever see this. Also note that The BIABacus is one of the very few programs that actually has the Tinseth formulas correctly witten.

So, an IBU number is not a great thing to work on when copying a recipe. It's good for designing a recipe but that is about it.

This only leaves us with EOBV-A to work on. We are now calling EOBV-A, 'Volume of Ambient Wort - VAW'. It is the most critical volume number in brewing but you can hardly ever find it in a recipe. Look at the link you gave us. The recipe says, "Batch size = 18.93 L." If he has used BeerSmith as per instructions (wjhich many brewers don't) then batch size means Volume into Fermentor (VIF). That does not help me to scale his recipe though as we don't know his 'Kettle to Fermentor Losses - KFL.' Obviously a brewer who only has 2 L of KFL needs to use far less hops than a brewer who has 10 L of KFL.

I know this is all depressing so far but it is the truth. Most recipes you come across just don't have the right information for them to be copied.

Anyway, I have an account with BeerSmith and so was abloe to download the actual recipe file. I opened this in BeerSMith, clicked on the guy's equipoment profile and from this was able to determine that his EOBV-A (or VAW) was 20.78 L.

otr, type 20.78 L into the EOBV-A field of Section D in your BIABacus and then post the file up here and we'll see how things lie.

;)
PP

P.S. On the plus side, all-grain is very forging. You might interpret a recipe totally incorrectly and still end up with a great beer. This happens all the time in home brewing as rarely is a recipe communicated or interpreted correctly.
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