Post #601 made 13 years ago
Wow, thanks so much, Pistol, for taking the time to go into great detail. You're right, I do appreciate it and I read it several times. Sometimes I feel like I'm writing novels in these forums, but you're right again – it is fun!

I see now what I was doing wrong in the hops sheet – not entering the AA% for the conversion side. This makes much more sense now.

I understand the difference between volume into fermentor and end of boil volume, and I've queried the original author of the recipe to try and get more info. I myself have been using the "batch size" as my volume into fermenter, but I realize different people might be interpreting it differently.

Armed with this info, I think I'm ready to take a crack at my first BIAB. I can't wait! Thanks :champ:
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Post #602 made 13 years ago
OK I'm going to brew this tomorrow, based on the revised recipe. Thanks, Pistol. I've got all my ingredients, but subbed Maris Otter for US 2 Row because the LHBS was out. In retrospect, I wonder if I should've subbed Pils ... but that's not the purpose of this post.

One question – should I seriously expect an end of boil efficiency of 79.6% on my first go? I've got a 50 qt pot and made a bag to fit with the bag equation provided in the bag forum. I should have a couple gallons (~ 6–8 in ?) of headspace during the mash.

The recipe creator mashed in at 154 for 70 minutes. Should I mash for 90 minutes?

I was considering just doughing in, making sure I got the right temp, covering and leaving it – no stirring. Or, should I stir?

These questions are mostly stemming from the efficiency % on the Calculator, and this will be my first BIAB. Thanks again for all the help!
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Post #603 made 13 years ago
laserghost,you were right in going with 2 row,it is a great sub for 2 row.
Go with the default.You have to start somewhere and the worst that would happen is that you end up with a slightly higher or lower OG.Not a big deal especially on batch one!
A 90 min mash will ensure a complete conversion.
A consistent mash temp +/- 2C is important.Go ahead and stir often while checking mash temps.
Tip #1!! Make real sure you have a stable temp before doughing in!! Some pots will carry over some residual heat after turning off the flame and your temp can rise dramatically.
Tip#2 Take it slow and don't panic when things don't seem right.
Tip#3 On your first don't crack a beer until after boil.
Tip #4 Read this post.http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=647
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Post #604 made 13 years ago
Good advice from Lylo and good on you laserghost :salute:.

You should be fine getting 80% efficiency into kettle on that brew. If everything is right (eg water pH etc) you might even find yourself much higher - closer to 90.

If possible, aim to take two efficiency readings during the brew - your pre-boil volume and gravity and then your post-boil volume and gravity. If you get those, we can have a look at them after your brew and make sure nothing went haywire.

The main thing is to just go ahead and brew it. Don't try to match numbers on the day, just record the above if you are able.

Have fun!!!
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Post #605 made 13 years ago
Welcome to the forum Snappa :salute:,

Congratulations on jumping into all-grain. Nice tricky first question too :P. I'm not too sure I could give you a good answer without some more info on your kettle and fermentor size as well as what yeast you are using as there are quite a few ways to tackle this problem.

Maybe post some more details up here or even better, in this thread which is perfect for this type of problem. Hopefully we can get you sorted straight away.

:peace:
PP
Thanks Pistol

Sorry for the late reply. Had a late night watching the All Blacks smash the Irish rugby team 60-0.

I have a 70 litre kettle and will be pouring 25 litres into a 30 litre fermenter. I am using Safale K97 yeast. Any ideas? I'm about to fire up my burner!

Thanks for any ideas.

heers

Snappa :shoot:
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Post #606 made 13 years ago
Bugger! Probably too late for you now sorry Snappa. (Massive win btw!)

If you have two fermentors, I'd probably brew this to the right strength and split it between the two fermentors. A 1/2 pack of the K-97 is most likely to get going if you aerate well.

If it's not too late, maybe add some more water to your boil now?

Another alternative, if you have two fermentors and have already finished the boil would be to let them get under way and then top them up with some cooled boiled water tomorrow?

Certainly a bit tricky this one. :luck:
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Post #607 made 13 years ago
Thanks for all the help so far, it's been immeasurable! Next I'd like to brew the Raison D'Saison from pp 207–209 of Brewing Classic Styles. Original recipe calls for 454 g of cane sugar. I am scaling this down just about a 1/2 gal or so. Does the cane sugar scale in proportion with the other grains, or is there something else that needs to be done in The Calculator? Attached is my xls file of the recipe, with the cane sugar entered in exactly as the recipe calls.

Good to go, or are tweaks required? Thanks!
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Post #608 made 13 years ago
Sorry for the slow answer lg. Sugar recipes in The Calculator can be a bit tricky. With this recipe, though you are fine. The difference the sugar causes here to the OG is hardly anything.

Everything else looked great :salute:. Only made one change on the Hop Bill sheet. Change cell G12 from 0 to 0.1. That way you don't get the #DIV/0! problem.

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Post #609 made 13 years ago
Hey guys, finally get to have a brew day and have come across yet another slight issue. My 19L big w brew pot only holds 16l of water. Now either i am more useless than normal, brew pot doesnt hold 19l or my measuring jug is way off.
What should i do??

Bek

Post #611 made 13 years ago
Thanks Lylo, The pot im using has a 30cm diameter so the calc says i need 19L in the boil.
What i don't understand is how can a 19L brew pot only hold 16L?
Wish my brain wasn't always so confused! :?

Bek

Post #612 made 13 years ago
Ah, a dodgy pot or measuring jug :sad:.

It's unbelievable but it does happen. I had a 4 liter graduated jug that held 3 litres :smoke:.

Lylo has been helping with the new calculator which, if you put in kettle height and diameter, will tell you the kettle capacity. (Unfortunately, the current calculator doesn't do this.) Assuming your kettle and jug are both round and have a flat bottom, maybe you can measure their diameters and heights and post them up here. Then Lylo, myself or one of the other betas can let you know which one of your vessels is dodgy.

:roll:
PP
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Post #613 made 13 years ago
Yeh i can't get my head around it, double checked the measuring jug and thats fine. So figured i had just bought a mislabeled pot so ran out to big w and i definatley have the 19L. :shock:
Its 32cms in diameter and 26cms high.
I used about 13L and have all my grain in and the pots full to to brim (keep making a mess checking the temp!)
I guess i'll just add as much water as i can before i boil? :dunno:

Bek

Post #615 made 13 years ago
Bugger - beaten by PP!

Hi Bek
I've entered your pot diameter and height into BIABacus :champ: and I got a capacity of 20.9 litres :shock:

I need to rush now, but please have a look at the Maxi BIAB thread/writeup. It will tell you how to make you brew length in a smaller pot.
Best of luck, and don't worry, you will brew good beer!

lambert
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Post #617 made 13 years ago
Bek's just let me know she is brewing the monster beer here. Massive!

I think what you'll need to do with this one is get a 20L plastic bucket (food-grade like the white ones), and when you pull your bag, put it in the bucket.

If you can heat some water in a saucepan or kettle, bring it up to 80 C or so and pour it into the bucket. Do this with all the water you couldn't fit in the pot. Then, pull the bag and add that extra wort back into your main kettle.

Take your time, it doesn't matter if everything sits doing nothing for a while.

Take my hat off to you brewing that huge beer :salute:.
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Post #618 made 13 years ago
Ok cool, i was going to sit the grain bag over the kettle and just add as much water to the kettle as i could fit in but i doubt my strainer will be able to hold all that grain so you idea sounds heaps easier, and hopefully less messy!
I will have to use a fermentor but should be easy. :luck:

Don't know what i'd do without you guys, hoping this will be an excellent imperial. :drink:

Bek

Post #619 made 13 years ago
All good fun eh :lol:.

If you can't pull the bag out of the fermentor, just drain the wort out through the tap. Makes sure you give the fermentor and tap a good clean and sanitise asap afterwards.

Maybe chuck a towel down before you shove the bag into the fermentor as I am predicting some mess :shock:.

:luck:
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Post #620 made 13 years ago
Beat you to it PP, must have about 2L of beautiful wort on my floor. :argh: And yep there was no way i could lift the grain bag out so just chucking water through the top and its draining nicely into the kettle.

Will be using another fermentor so i don't have to stress about cleaning everything.

If nothing else, my house smells pretty darn good right now (even if the floor is quite sticky)

Hopefully i will have no further issues this time around, even have a fridge/heat temp controller up and running so should be sweet :thumbs:

Post #621 made 13 years ago
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sounds like you handled all of this really well. Top job.

You probably never had a minute to take gravity or volume readings. If by some miracle you did, I'd love to hear them. If not, will just look forward to hearing how this beer tastes.

Pretty impressive effort Bek :clap:
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Post #622 made 13 years ago
Haha not sure the term 'handled really well' quite fits, but thank you PP. :thumbs:
My end of boil gravity was 1.069, bit lower than the expected 1.078.
Forgot to take an OG but will do that soon.
Only other issue i came across was i couldnt find my heater pad anywhere, turns out i lent it to my dad last year. So there has been no lift off, despite all the towels and blankets. Will pick it up this arvo.

Looking forward to trying this, lets hope 4 weeks goes pretty quick! :drink:

Bek

Post #623 made 13 years ago
I know its a bit late for an OG but here goes......1.109! :argh:
I'm kinda hoping that's an inaccurate reading. It was take from the tap with all the sediment at the bottom by now. It looks pretty thick.
Nothing left to do but wait and see (and hopefully not have to fit a blow off hose!)

Bek

Post #624 made 13 years ago
I'm amazed. You wanted 1.096 so 1.109 based on one reading is excellent :thumbs:.

Nice!

4 weeks and :drink: and then, with that size beer :dream:.
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Post #625 made 13 years ago
My stout is fermenting beautifully. :thumbs:

I was putting my recipe into a friends calculator/ database site (hopwort) and a lot of my 'stats' were off for style. I was asking why and he said it was due to the difference between the end if boil volume and VIF - he asked how do you lose ~3L when cooling?

I had no answer so im asking you guys.

Bek

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