Moby Wheat (American Wheat)

Post #1 made 14 years ago
Quick one if you need some beer over the holidays.
I always thought wheat beers were supposed to taste like the toilet blocks in men's rooms (especially the purple ones) :? - until I had a few Murrays Whale Ales on holiday. Hence the whale connection.

Lovely easy drinking beer with a fresh bread taste and satisfying mouthfeel - I made mine on San Diego Super Yeast from Whitelabs (WLP090) but any American Ale yeast would work perfectly, plus any high alpha hop for a bittering addition only (Chinook, Columbus). Only bitter to around 20 IBU
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Post #2 made 14 years ago
Good Day BeachBum, Great to hear you have found the Summer beer in America. But we use German Pilsner grain. Have a good Drink!!
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Post #4 made 13 years ago
"All American Ale" yeast sounds perfect. With USA style ale yeasts I never go above 18°C as I'm looking for clean finish with as little fruitiness as possible, so around 17° would be my personal choice.
I like this beer so much I'm ordering a whole sack of wheat malt in our local club "bulk buy" that's happening at the moment and intend to make it my "always on tap" house brew. :thumbs:

Post #5 made 13 years ago
Thanks Beachbum. Will set at 17degrees. Have a single batch mashing as we speak. Looking forward to giving it a try. I've used Chinook as my bittering and will probably boil for 90 mins as I'm paranoid about DMS with all that pilsener malt. If this one goes down well I will be cranking out some double batches. :peace:
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Post #6 made 13 years ago
Just poured my first of these and I have to say it's a cracker ;) Will definately be making some double or triple batches of this. Thanks Beachie great recipie. I think I'll call it orca wheat because it's a killer :peace:

Post #9 made 13 years ago
Yup I'm launching the longboats and running another one up today. I bought a whole sack of wheat malt. I'm drinking my way through a batch I made at 6.5% ABV with some late cascade, but I've been ending up crawling around on the floor sobbing "why did Princess Diana Have to die :sad: " so I'm cranking it back to a more quaffable strength :lol:

Also I've been using San Diego Super yeast and on its fifth generation it's gone a bit "slack" and not attenuating well, with residual sweetness, so I'm going to switch to good old reliable US-05 at 17°C.

Edit: I was in Sydney a couple of weeks ago visiting family, and took a few growlers of the first version (pictured above) with me, and had the opportunity to go to the Murrays Pub at Manly for a few pints of the Whale Ale, so I was able to do a sort of comparison. Their Whale Ale definitely has some late Cascade - New Zealand Cascade to be precise as they use all NZ hops - so I'll do a bit of that as well. It worked well in the headbanger version.

Post #10 made 13 years ago
Sounds even better with a bit of late cascade. Good timing as I'm just about to do a first pick of my cascade hops. What sort of hop schedule would you suggest Beach Bum?

Post #11 made 13 years ago
I'll be bittering to around 20 IBU with something (I've got heaps of leftovers of all sorts from Chinook to Galena :think: ) then a flameout addition of Cascade. Or, because I no chill I'll probably just keep a litre of wort back and at pitching time I'll boil it up and do a hop tea with NZ Cascade Flowers - 20g in a coffee plunger - and pour that into the fermenter.

Post #13 made 13 years ago
I am a new brewer but it seems everything I have read suggests a 90 minute boil for Pilsner malt to prevent production of DMS. Did you notice any of these flavors?
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Post #14 made 13 years ago
Yup that's common wisdom, but I've never actually experienced DMS in any of my brews using local malt. I tend to think that a 90 min boil would be the go for the more "mainstream" Pilsener malts from Germany and the Czech Republic but the Australian Pilseners I normally use (Barrett Burston Pilsner and Galaxy malts) seem to do fine with a 60min boil.
However when I deliberately do a "to style" beer such as a Bohemian Pilsner, German Pils or a Vienna Lager using Weyermann imported malt I do the 90 min boil. I think Pilsner Urquell do a 2 hour boil.

I'm not sure about American 2 row malt where you are, some of our other US members may advise.

Post #15 made 13 years ago
Wow the longer I do this the more I find I need to learn. Thanks for the information.
The recipe looks good but I need to find out if I use Briess Pilsner or Belgian Pilsner would I need the 90 boil?
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Post #16 made 13 years ago
GoodDay Rockbottom, Breiss pilsner does have DMS/SMM and after 50-55 minutes boil, the oder is gone, but we may want to boil at least 75 minutes to be sure.
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Post #17 made 13 years ago
Thanks Joshua,
I had hoped you would respond. So could I assume doing a regular 90 minute boil would not change the recipe too much?
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Post #18 made 13 years ago
Good Day RockBottom, the only thing I have noticed from a 90 minute boil is about 5 degrees lovibond DARKER color.
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Post #19 made 13 years ago
Upon throwing a cascade hop flower in a glass of my current batch of this beer(sans late cascade hop addition), I would definately say it adds another dimension to the beer without detracting from it's refreshing nature. Well thats my two cents worth :peace:

Post #20 made 13 years ago
Any revisions of the original recipe with late flavour additions? I have a whole sack of wheat malt thats ready to go. I'm thinking of doing BB original recipe but I'm also intrigued as to what it would be like with a late hop addition, but to get it right so I don't have 19L of unbalanced wheat ale...

Maybe Cascade 20g 5% AA to the 22L batch at flameout?

Advice please :yum:

Post #23 made 13 years ago
Finally got this one on tap and predictably it's a real corker :thumbs:
The aroma addition of the fresh cascade flowers really adds another dimension of flavourwithout being too overpowering . Haven't drunk side by side with a Murray's whale ale yet and the last time a had a Murrays I had a filling breaking down in my mouth, so all I could taste was the bitterness of the amalgam in the filling :dunno:, so I couldn't give a true comparison.
As i've said before this one has definately become a regular at my place although I feel it will have to be drunk reasonably quickly before that fresh hop aroma fades :peace:

Post #24 made 13 years ago
I brewed this so far without the late cascade addition but It will only be a matter of time. I brewed it twice and the second time I put in peach extract to the keg and it was a delicious wheat peach ale.

I never really had a lot of wheat beer with a clean yeast and I really like it a lot! I've done hefes and wits and dunkels before but I like the nice malty flavour you get with this beer.

I also like that it is really cheap to make especially because I have a sack of wheat :thumbs: and the IBUs are low.

Post #25 made 13 years ago
I agree squared, It's a very sessionable beer especially on a warm day. The peach sounds interesting :think: Not really my cup of tea, but that's the beauty of this recipie in that you can treat it like a bit of a blank canvas due to the low IBUs and that clean malt flavour. :peace:
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