Second Brew - American Pale Ale

Post #1 made 12 years ago
Hi folks!
After brew my first beer, an IPA that at the moment is into the fermenter untill sunday :)

I decided to do my second brew an American Pale Ale,
I copied the recipe in Brewing Classic Style, I changed the Munich malt whit Cara Pils (becouse I don't have Munich malt)
and the Horizon hop whit Citra hop for the same reason.

this is the recipe into Biabacus, everything is ok?


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Recipe Overview

Brewer: Antonio Maria Ledda
Style: American Pale Ale
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ABV: 5,1% (assumes any priming sugar used is diluted.)

Original Gravity (OG): 1,053
IBU's (Tinseth): 30
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0,57
Colour: 11,2 EBC = 5,7 SRM

Kettle Efficiency (as in EIB and EAW): 82,5 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 80,7 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 67 C = 152,6 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 7 days at 20 C = 68 F

Volumes & Gravities
(Note that VAW below is the Volume at Flame-Out (VFO) less shrinkage.)
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Total Water Needed (TWN): 62,31 L = 16,46 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 58,29 L = 15,4 G @ 1,044
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 46 L = 12,15 G @ 1,053
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 45 L = 11,89 G @ 1,053
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 41,67 L = 11,01 G @ 1,013 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

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83,3% Pale Malt Maris Otter (5,5 EBC = 2,8 SRM) 8319 grams = 18,34 pounds
11,1% Cara-Pils/Dextrine (4,5 EBC = 2,3 SRM) 1109 grams = 2,45 pounds
3,9% Wheat Malt (15 EBC = 7,6 SRM) 388 grams = 0,86 pounds
1,7% Crystal 60L (118,2 EBC = 60 SRM) 166 grams = 0,37 pounds

The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

22,8 IBU Citra Flowers (12%AA) 39 grams = 1,376 ounces at 60 mins
4,4 IBU Centennial Flowers (9%AA) 27,9 grams = 0,983 ounces at 10 mins
2,7 IBU Cascade Flowers (5,5%AA) 27,9 grams = 0,983 ounces at 10 mins
0 IBU Centennial Flowers (9%AA) 27,9 grams = 0,983 ounces at 0 mins
0 IBU Cascade Flowers (5,5%AA) 27,9 grams = 0,983 ounces at 0 mins

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full-Volume Mash) for 90 mins at 67 C = 152,6 F

Mashout for for 1 mins at 78 C = 172,4 F

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: N

Chilling Method: INOX Chiller (Employed 35 mins after boil end.)

Fermentation & Conditioning

Fermentation: Fermentis S-05 for 7 days at 18 C = 68 F
Diacetyl Rest: 7 days at 18 C = 68 F
Secondary Used: Y
Crash-Chilled: n
Filtered: n
Req. Volumes of CO2: 2,2
Serving Temp: 12 C = 53,6 F
Condition for 21 days.
Consume within 2 months.

Special Instructions/Notes on this Beer

any suggestion or advice?

bye

A.
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Post #2 made 12 years ago
What are your hopes from the addition of Cara-Pils? I think it's generally used to enhance mouth feel and head without changing flavour. Munich malt would change the flavor. I am far from being an expert on designing recipes, but I would think Vienna or a light crystal (10L or 20L) might make a more suitable substitute for the Munich.
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
Good stuff above. Perhaps lower mash temp by a degree C.

Also consider turning on that chiller a lot sooner. I can't see any reason not to.

Good stuff!
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
Hi, thanks for the answers!

Jack & Dave : yeah , I didn't know this difference, I only knew that the carapils is good for the head and mouth feel, it's why I decided to use it.
So, in the next batch I'll add some Munich or Vienna to fell the difference. At the moment I haven't malts whit low ECB and I wont a golden blond beer!

PP: Yes I know, it's my fault filling Biabacus, I'll turn on the chiller just after the flame out ant leave the hops.
do you think is better do a mash at 66°, why?

Thanks!
bye
A.

Post #6 made 12 years ago
I think the reason that PP suggested mashing slightly lower is because the focus in an APA is generally more about the hops than the malt. Mashing higher will increase the malt character and raise the FG of the recipe. This is done sometimes to make sort of a hybrid style. Guidelines are just that, your recipe is like your canvas. You can make it anything you want, but generally you should stay close to the guidelines when you are new to designing recipes. Some of the best beers I've tried break the style guidelines, but if you're going to break them, you should have an idea what the result will be. Either that, or I'm talking out of my a** again.
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
That means if I mash a lower teemperature I have lower FG and then less %ABV? or only less malty taste and body?
ok I'll do the mash at 66° for 90min
thanks for the advice Jack, for the next batch I'll try to brew replacing the carapils whit munich or vienna malt.

I don't know if I understood well what means, " I'm talking out of my a** again", but if I'm rhigt you waswn't talking out of your *ss neither before ;-)

Post #8 made 12 years ago
Another thing,
I'll thinking about split the wort in two fermentor, and in one try the dry hopping.

I opened another topic in the hoping section,
this one : http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=150&t=2764
"I'd love to try a dry hopping in a fermentor
my plan is to put the hops in a secondary after one week and bottled one week later.

how is the best way to do the dry hopping? put the hops into a fermentos whitout hop sack or what kind of sack I have to use?
how many hop I have to use? :scratch:
Would be good
Citra Flowers (12%AA) 15 grams
Centennial Flowers (9%AA) 15 grams
Cascade Flowers (5,5%AA) 15 grams
or what combination and amount of this hops is better? :think:


Thanks for any suggestions! :peace:"

Post #9 made 12 years ago
Lower mash temp = lower FG = higher ABV, also less malty. You filled in the ** properly, I just meant that I am only guessing at what PP meant when he suggested mashing lower.

I don't use a secondary as there are mixed opinions on their usefulness. I would consider using one if I were bulk aging something for a long time, but for most beers I don't think the added risk of infection is worth it. As for the dry hopping, you will need to decide how much aroma you want from each type of hop. Then adjust the ratio based on the AA% of each hop. you only need half as much of a 10%AA compared to a 5%AA to get equal contributions from them. I think that's how it works.

Edit** I've always just tossed the hops into the fermenter without a bag. Using a bag might reduce your FPL though. Another thing to consider is that I crash chill before bottling/kegging, so that might help the hops settle to the bottom better than if I didn't.
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Post #10 made 12 years ago
JackRussel wrote:I think the reason that PP suggested mashing slightly lower is because the focus in an APA is generally more about the hops than the malt.
That's pretty much it ;). But there is a more important reason. It might seem very pedantic to tell someone to lower their mash temp by one degree and in real life, it probably would make no discernible difference at all. What I like to do is make sure that new brewers are starting with the best baseline possible. This way, there is less chance of them wandering over boundaries of no return. When you consider that single infusion mash temps range from 62 - 70 C, then ignoring one Centigrade already puts you 12% out. Not a problem in itself but if you are 12% out on grain bill, hop bill, mash temp, water chemistry etc and all these, 'little bit outs' are in the same direction then you can rapidly end up off course, especially if coupled with say just using a single thermometer.

Being a bit out or even totally lazy on one or two areas of the brewing process will rarely cause a problem. You can see, hopefully though, how a compounding of inaccuracy can cause a real problem.

:peace:
PP
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Post #11 made 12 years ago
Hi!
Thanks Jack, now it's more clear :thumbs: , before I confused OG whit FG :headhit: .
for the dry hopping, so I have to balance quantity whit AA%?
that means less citra and more cascade? :scratch:

Post #12 made 12 years ago
Tota, just some info.... I generally use either Old Republic Brewing or The Beverage People for my malt guide. They seem to have a better breakdown of the color and uses and styles of my grains. Add the Cara-pils in the last 30 min of the mash . Also ...ever think about Mosaic hops ? Intense citrus flavor and bittering .If not available ...try Simcoe.
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Post #14 made 12 years ago
According to ORB and my own brewing usage , it does seem to give more head retention. Can't say for sure about the "mouth feel " . Not sure I can even tell that one.But, I do notice more head retention and body to my brews since adding this way.
J
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Post #17 made 12 years ago
Hey jhough! The brew was fine, I add the cara-pils for the last 30min, I splitted the batch in two fermentor one with US05 and the other with BRY97...
today the BRY97 still fermenting well altrough the US04 seems less vigorous.

Also, I thinking about washing the yeast for my next batch.

Post #19 made 12 years ago
tota how long has this been brewing that it came down to 1.011?
Seems pretty quick from your first post.
J
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Post #22 made 12 years ago
I checked the FG another time, both of them were at 1,013 not 1,011 that was my foult... Now I'll wait untill sunday to bottled my APA. ;)

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Post #23 made 12 years ago
Sorry tota ... been away with my daughters HS Graduation...... 18c is within line for the US-05 . I just do not get it to ferment that fast. Also ....just asking ...what was you actual OG I see your expected OG but was actual lower and that could be why the actual FG is where it is ??
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