Yeast question with recipe scaledown

Post #1 made 11 years ago
First, here is the converted recipe I'm going to be using with the help of the BIABacus:

Recipe Overview

Brewer: Nate “radiogorillaz” Whalen
Style: American Amber Ale
Source Recipe Link: http://www.brewboard.com/index.php?showtopic=20726" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ABV: 5.6% (assumes any priming sugar used is diluted.)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.058
IBU's (Tinseth): 36.9
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.64
Colour: 23.4 EBC = 11.9 SRM

Kettle Efficiency (as in EIB and EAW): 83.1 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 71.2 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures
Mash: 90 mins at 68.3 C = 155 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 42 days at 20 C = 68 F

Volumes & Gravities
(Note that VAW below is the Volume at Flame-Out (VFO) less shrinkage.)
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Total Water Needed (TWN): 24.53 L = 6.48 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 23.18 L = 6.12 G @ 1.037
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 14.35 L = 3.79 G @ 1.058
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 12.3 L = 3.25 G @ 1.058
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 11.39 L = 3.01 G @ 1.015 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)
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58.5% Pale Malt 2-row (5.91 EBC = 3 SRM) 1980 grams = 4.36 pounds
19.5% Belgian Pale (43.34 EBC = 22 SRM) 660 grams = 1.45 pounds
9.8% Munich Malt (17.73 EBC = 9 SRM) 330 grams = 0.73 pounds
4.9% Biscuit Malt (45.31 EBC = 23 SRM) 165 grams = 0.36 pounds
2.4% Caramel/Crystal 10L (19.7 EBC = 10 SRM) 82 grams = 0.18 pounds
2.4% Caramel/Crystal 40L (78.8 EBC = 40 SRM) 82 grams = 0.18 pounds
2.4% Special Roast (98.5 EBC = 50 SRM) 82 grams = 0.18 pounds

The Hop Bill
22.6 IBU Northern Brewer Pellets (8.5%AA) 16.2 grams = 0.57 ounces at 60 mins
7.5 IBU Williamette Pellets (5.5%AA) 10.8 grams = 0.38 ounces at 30 mins
4.8 IBU Williamette Pellets (5.5%AA) 10.8 grams = 0.38 ounces at 15 mins
1.9 IBU Williamette Pellets (5.5%AA) 10.8 grams = 0.38 ounces at 5 mins

Mash Steps
Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full-Volume Mash): Saccharifiaction for 90 mins at 68.3 C = 155 F
Strike Water Needed (SWN): 25.01 L = 6.61 G 69 C = 156.2 F

Fermentation & Conditioning
Fermentation: Wyeast 1272 for 42 days at 20 C = 68 F

Secondary Used: N
Crash-Chilled: N
Filtered: N
Req. Volumes of CO2: 3
Serving Temp: 4 C = 39.2 F
Condition for 14 days.
Consume within 3 months.




I've scaled this down, if you look at the source link, (from 5Gal to 3.25Gal) for the recipe to fit my boil kettle pot (about 28L or 7.25Gal for anyone interested). As much as I'd like to upgrade, I'm going to do my first BIAB with what I have since that's one of the points; to reduce equipment and make just as good, if not better beer with less "stuff".

Back to my question, I know yeast starters are a big thing with some brewers. I've had success with and without a starter. However, with this being a smaller volume brew, I shouldn't have to worry about that as much, correct?

The first brew I did, I felt the pressure to make a starter, and to say the least, I felt overwhelmed. Regardless of what responses I get, I may just skip a starter no matter what since according to some yeast calculators, I'll only be off by -32 billion cells assuming I use brand new yeast.

What does everyone think? Worth a starter or skip it?
Last edited by RadioGoriLLaz on 21 Jan 2015, 05:50, edited 1 time in total.
Cheers!
-Nate

Post #2 made 11 years ago
I would say you are fine without a starter, as long as the yeast is before its 'best before date'. I have done 5 gallon batches without a starter, but I usually do them. For 3 or 3.25 I think you will be just fine.

As far as starters go tho for the future, they don't have to be overwhelming, I just throw 100g dme into a litre of boiling water, cool to pitching temp, put in a mason jar (or 2) with yeast for a day or so with some sanitized tinfoil on top, and give it a swirl whenever I walk by. Has worked well so far.

One thing I wonder about your recipe report is the 42 day fermentation time, seems like a while for an ale, I find my ales are usually done in 10-14 days...
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Post #3 made 11 years ago
RGL, welcome to the forum :peace:,

I'd be using the dried yeast US-05 in your situation. Many microbreweries use it as their house yeast. Dried yeast is far cheaper and, in your micro batch situation, very easy. Just use half a pack.

Also read/follow this thread.

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PP
Last edited by PistolPatch on 21 Jan 2015, 19:26, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #4 made 11 years ago
Thank you @goulaigan and @PistolPatch (I've read many of your posts); I may go with the starter after all or even the dry US-05. I'm still working on acquiring my materials for a DIY stir plate so I will probably just go with the shake it when I walk by starter. Haven't used dry yet and sounds easy. Just like baking yeast; rehydrate, pitch.

@goulaigan; I agree with the assessment about the 42 days (6 wks) of fermentation. The longest I've done was 4 wks so I'll probably stick to that as a max length of fermentation instead.

I also want to say sorry for not searching for an answer first. I always forget to do that when I start a new forum. I'll be sure to utilize the search feature better in the future.
Cheers!
-Nate
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