Post #352 made 14 years ago
Well I did my first batch doing Biab. :thumbs: Thanks to everyone with the recipe conversion. :clap: This is pretty much the maximum I can do in my kettle. I was focused on getting everything right with the recipe, I did not pay attention too much about trub. I now have a 6 gallon carboy fermentor with what looks like 5.5 gallons of wort and trub. Maybe more like 6. Unfortunately more than a third is trub. Maybe I will come out with 3 gallons of beer? I am feeling kind of dissapointed. :nup:

Post #353 made 14 years ago
Congrats of the first one! :salute:
No worries,the trub will settle into a cake on the bottom in a couple of days and it will start looking like beer.Like everyone says here,it is really hard to screw up!
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Post #354 made 14 years ago
I now have a cake of trub about 2 inches. So that is not bad. I think it got a little cold in my shop last night. No yeast action this morning. :scratch: It should be rolling when I get home from work though.

Post #355 made 14 years ago
So it has been 20 hours and still no action in my fermentor. :nup: I think it might have got too cold? I pitched the yeast at just below 80 degrees. It got down to below 60 degrees in my shop. I moved it to a warmer location. Is it too early to panic? Never had this happen before.

Post #356 made 14 years ago
tsmeltzer, if you are concerned about a lack of activity, try giving the fermenter a swirl to rouse the yeast. Also activity should be measured by a hydrometer sample and not by airlock activity, as the air lock can be un-reliable.
"It's beer Jim, but not as we know it."

Post #357 made 14 years ago
Thanks for the feedback Hashie. I did a google and red that California Ale would take around 48 hours to start kicking if you pitch straight from the vial. I will go give it a swirl.

All in all this was a good learning experience. Need a bigger spoon or paddle. Make a starter. Get a faster acting thermometer. BIAB works for me.

Post #358 made 14 years ago
I've had beers which showed no activity... except the gravity kept on dropping :)

(lid leak)
Fermenting: -
Cubed: -
Stirplate: -
On Tap: NS Summer Ale III (WY1272), Landlord III (WY1469), Fighter's 70/- II (WY1272), Roast Porter (WY1028), Cider, Soda
Next: Munich Helles III

5/7/12

Post #359 made 14 years ago
I tend to not pay too much attention to the airlock activity. But I do watch the wort. I have not seen any action in the wort after 36 hours. I will take a hydro at the 72 hour mark.

Post #360 made 14 years ago
I am transfering my first Biab to a secondary fermenter and cool crashing it. Now I need to do another batch to keep beer flowing. Here is my next recipe. It is a Kolsch. I think I got this figured out but I can't use the calculator due to not having a copy of excel at home. It is read only. Will you guys be so kind to give a fellow brewer a hand?

Kettle
44qt Bayou Classic w/Spigot and Basket
Pot measures 13.5 inches x 17.5 inches
Basket measures 13 inches x 13.5 inches

Burner
SQ14 Bayou Classic

Recipe
Widmer SummerBrau

OSG 1.045
FSG 1.012
5 gal

Grain
3/4 lb White Wheat
1 lb Vieanna Malt
1 lb Cara Pils Malt
6 lb 2-Row Malt

Bittering Hops
1 oz Spalt AA% 4.1 60 Minutes

Aroma Hops
1 oz Tettnang AA% 4.8 5 Minutes

Yeast
White Labs German Ale/Kolsch 029
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Post #361 made 14 years ago
tsmeltzer wrote:I am transfering my first Biab to a secondary fermenter and cool crashing it. Now I need to do another batch to keep beer flowing. Here is my next recipe. It is a Kolsch. I think I got this figured out but I can't use the calculator due to not having a copy of excel at home. It is read only. Will you guys be so kind to give a fellow brewer a hand?
Congrats on the first batch! As to "not having a copy of excel at home": Download and install OpenOffice, it's compatible with M$ Office, and.....it's free.

http://www.openoffice.org/
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Post #362 made 14 years ago
Hi there tsemltz,

The recipe you've provided doesn't have enough hop information. Have a read of this post to see what information is needed to convert a recipe. Though that post is in the BeerSmith2 guide, the information there applies to any recipe conversion.

I'll help you out once there is enough information but only if you put it in metric :lol:.

thughes advice on OpenOffice is also a good way to go as I'm pretty sure the exisitng calculator works in that.

:peace:
PP
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Post #363 made 14 years ago
Thanks PP! I am at work with access to the calculator and my Hop Bill is not computing right. Must be too low of gravity to show up on chart? Will you guys have a looksy? How did I do? What do I need to do different? Thanks everyone.
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Post #364 made 14 years ago
Hi everyone,

Time for my second BIAB batch on Saturday. This time I'm hoping to brew an IPA based off the recipe in this link:
http://www.brew365.com/beer_two_hearted.php

My pot is 48L, 40cm in diameter and 36cm high. I would like to brew a 5.5 gallon batch (ie, 5.5 into the carboy). I have tried my best to use the calculator but because I'm new I don't exactly trust myself yet.

Can someone convert the recipe for me so I can compare it with what I came up with?

Thanks,

Ralph
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Post #365 made 14 years ago
Ralphus - post up what you have come up with as this will save a heap of time.
tsmeltzer wrote:Thanks PP! I am at work with access to the calculator and my Hop Bill is not computing right. Must be too low of gravity to show up on chart? Will you guys have a looksy? How did I do? What do I need to do different? Thanks everyone.
tsmeltz, you managed to delete some formulas in Cells J10:J13. I copied the formulas back in from the cells below. Once you do this, as soon as you type in the AA% of your hops in K10 and K11, your weights will appear.

BUT, I'm just having a look at the rest of the sheet and there are calculation errors in it. It is one of the 'beta' calculators. So, whatever 'version' you have, isn't scaling the grain properly. (Btw, you also have 1.012 instead of 1.045 as your original gravity).

If you can find a beta version that works in US measurements, then great otherwise until the new calculator is finished, we'll have to keep working with the current official metric one. This means you'll have to convert, copy and paste everything into there tsemltz! (You could also try PM'ing Stux as he might know of a version that works in US. Without downloading and checking every one, I certainly wouldn't know!)

Once you do find one that works, if you make the changes above, all should be fine. Post it up here when you're done.

Cheers,
PP
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Post #366 made 14 years ago
Ralphus - post up what you have come up with as this will save a heap of time.
Here it is
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Post #367 made 14 years ago
Nice job Ralphus! Looks perfect to me :salute:

The sheet you used seems to do US measurements as well (though you'l have to type them in, it won't change them for you.) I've attached a copy of the recipe in US.

:peace:
PP
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Post #369 made 14 years ago
Hi, another Newb from the Aussie Homebrew forums here. I have been looking around the site. Making it easier for us to get into all-grain, champion!

I'll be brewing in a 20 L electric urn, 32 cm high and 30 cm in diameter. The element is exposed (not sure if that makes a difference) but I'll be covering it with a cake rack. My fermenter is 23 L but I won't be maxi BIABing, I'm happy with smaller batches (for now at least).

Please help me adjust the following. It's a clone of one of my fave beers. I first saw it here:
http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/i ... opic=36386
It's originally from HomeBrew Talk:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/
But I couldn't find the original there, just the American quantities version, but I did find this version, which is why I changed the pils quantity:
http://www.beoir.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1091

Hope that's enough info. Thanks!


Orfy's Hobgoblin - 23L
4.8 kg Maris Otter
0.25 kg Crystal
0.20 kg Carapils
0.15 kg Chocolate
Mash at 69 C for 90 min

15 g Styrian, 15 g Fuggles FWH
15 g Styrian, 15 g Fuggles 30 min
15 g Styrian, 15 g Fuggles 0 min
Nottingham yeast



Or from the second site (more detail):

Hobgoblin
Brew Type: All Grain
Brewer: AT
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Volume: 30.29 L
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.0 %
Ingredients for Mash
4.80 kg Marris Otter Pale (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM)
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt -60L (60.0 SRM)
0.20 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt (450.0 SRM)

Mash In: Add 14.09 L of water at 78.2 C 90 min
Hold mash at 69.0 C for 90 min
Add first wort hops to boiler at start of sparge

15.00 gm Styrian Goldings [5.00%] (60 min) (First Wort Hop)
15.00 gm Fuggles [4.50%] (60 min) (First Wort Hop)
--Boil for 60 min
15.00 gm Styrian Goldings [5.00%] (30 min)
15.00 gm Fuggles [4.50%] (30 min)
1.00 tsp protofloc (10 min)
15.00 gm Fuggles [4.50%] (0 min)
15.00 gm Styrian Goldings [4.50%] (0 min )
--Cool wort to fermentation temperature
--Add water (as needed) to achieve volume of 23.00 L --Siphon wort to primary fermenter and aerate wort.
--Add Ingredients to Fermenter

Amount Item Type 1 Pkg Safale s04 Yeast-Ale 20/12/2006
Measure Original Gravity: ________ (Estimate: 1.052 SG)
20/12/2006 Measure Batch Volume: ________ (Estimate: 23 L)
27/12/2006 Transfer to Secondary Fermenter 14 days
Ferment in secondary for 14 days at 20.0 C 10/01/2007
Measure Final Gravity: ________ (Estimate: 1.013 SG)
3.0 Weeks Age for 3.0 Weeks at 15.0 C

Post #370 made 14 years ago
Hi there Tanga and welcome to the forum :peace:

The above information is great so well done there. Normally I would have time to help you out straight away but not now :sad:. What would be a good exercise though (and would allow me to help you faster) is if you could have a crack at putting the above information into The Calculator as this is the best scaler around. So...

1. Download the current version

2. Put in 21.3 l as your brew length as this will give you 23 l into fermenter.

3. Put in 1.052 for your end of boil gravity (OG)

4. Put in 30 cm for your kettle diameter

5. on the second sheet, type in your grains

6. On the third sheet, type in your hop bill.

7. Upload what you come up with here.

If you can have a crack at that, I'll be able to very quickly check it and explain it and answer any questions you have. Otherwise it would take me a few days to be able to get the time to help you out well.

Do you reckon you can handle the above? If not, let us know.

:peace:
PP

(I can't help you out more now as I am one of the silly buggers working on improving the existing calculator and I am 'on duty' for the next few days :))
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Post #372 made 14 years ago
PistolPatch wrote: 2. Put in 21.3 l as your brew length as this will give you 23 l into fermenter.
G'day pistol... just trying to get my head around the calculator... i did my first biab on the weekend just gone... can read more about it and see pictures here:

http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/i" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 56775&st=0

had great help on this forum, especially from sigurdur. :thumbs:

im just stuck on your comment above - 21.3lts on the sheet to end up with 23 in the fermentor... :think:

my sheet had 23lts into the fermentor, start with 40.33lts OG 1.041 - which i followed... i ended up with about 26-28lts into the fermentor at 1.038 - so i assume it was too much water based on the caluculator brew length of 23???

Cheers,
adz.
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Post #373 made 14 years ago
Hi there adz,

Still short on time sorry so this'll be quick. The current calculator makes you input how much beer you want to end up with in bottles or kegs. From this it uses some average percentage figures we collected from several brewers over quite a few brews for fermenter and kettle trub.

Putting in 21.3 L as your brewlength, will result in 1.7 L of trub but you can overwrite this 'guestimate' after a few brews if you wish. 21.3 L + 1.7 L = 23 L into the fermenter. Have a play around with it and you'll see how it works - just change any figures in red.

The Calculator usually will get you in the ballpark on volumes but after you have done a few brews, you'll see that things like evaporation can change from brew to brew and sometimes you just get odd readings. So, never take the figures from one brew as significant. Measure as many things as you can during your first brews so as you can build up some reliable figures to work from and then you can over-write the default formulas in the calculator for trub and evaporation.

Had a look at your pics btw and your set-up looks great. Nice job!

:peace:
PP
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Post #375 made 14 years ago
Morning adz,

Good on you for having a go at the sheet :salute:

I have made a couple of corrections and it is good to go now. Here's what I did...

First Sheet - Corrected the Original gravity to 1.048 (probably a typo you made there)

Second Sheet - all great.

Third Sheet - Unhid the hidden hop rows and deleted them. Put in the end of boil volume from the original recipe into cell E8. The only way I could guess this is because I have BeerSmith and was able to look at Andrew's equipment set-up. Typed in the amount of grams from the original recipe instead of using IBU's.

This is a better way of doing hops as bitterness formulas are ridiculously varied. In the new calculator being developed, this will be addressed.

Let me know if you have any questions adz.

Cheers
PP
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