PLEASE REVIEW: Scottish Export Ale - Grugach 80/

Post #1 made 9 years ago
This is my first attempt converting a recipe using BIABacus. The comments of more experienced BIABers would be most welcome.

The original recipe can be found here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/ho" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... sr#slide-5

I discovered it searching the forums for Scottish Export Ale and several members reported good results with it in this topic: viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2122

I'm aware there is controversy about the use of peated malt in a true-to-style Scottish Export Ale, but wanted to get feedback on my conversion of the recipe, so I followed it exactly, with exceptions as noted below.

I did need to make an assumption on the original recipe's VAW. The original recipe states a batch size of 5.5 US gallons (21 liters), so I estimated 23 liters VAW.

The original recipe calls for a 60-minute mash at 156F (69C). I extended the mash to 90 minutes, but was uncertain how to adjust the temperature and so left it at 69C. Please advise on this point in particular, if possible.

I added 1/2 a Whirfloc tablet in the boil at 5 minutes for clarity, which is not spec'd in the original recipe.

I assumed an attenuation of 71% on the Wyeast Scotch Ale Yeast, roughly the midpoint of range found on the product page here: https://www.wyeastlab.com/hb_yeaststrai" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... cfm?ID=143

The attached spreadsheet is adjusted for my kettle size. All other values are default. Many thanks for looking this over!


Grugach 80/

Recipe Overview

Brewer: Credit - Chad Walker
Style: Scottish Export Ale
Source Recipe Link: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/ho" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... sr#slide-5
ABV: 5.1% (assumes any priming sugar used is diluted.)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.054
IBU's (Tinseth): 22.6
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.42
Colour: 17 SRM

Kettle Efficiency (as in EIB and EAW): 80.8 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 69.3 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 69 C = 156.2 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 42 days at 14.5 C = 58.1 F

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 32.36 L = 8.55 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 29.2 L = 7.71 G @ 1.043
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 22.17 L = 5.86 G @ 1.054
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 19 L = 5.02 G @ 1.054
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 17.59 L = 4.65 G @ 1.016 assuming apparent attenuation of 71 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

80.4% 2-Row Malt 4021 grams = 8.86 pounds
9% Crystal Malt (80L) 448 grams = 0.99 pounds
4.5% Melanoidin Malt 224 grams = 0.49 pounds
2.8% Aromatic Malt 140 grams = 0.31 pounds
2.2% Peated Malt 111 grams = 0.25 pounds
1.1% Black Patent 56 grams = 0.12 pounds


The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

22.6 IBU Kent Goldings Pellets (5%AA) 41 grams = 1.446 ounces at 60 mins

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full-Volume Mash): Saccharifiaction for 90 mins at 69 C = 156.2 F

Strike Water Needed (SWN): 33 L = 8.72 G 69.8 C = 157.6 F

Miscellaneous Ingredients

0.52 Whirfloc Tablet (Boil) 5 Mins - Clarity

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: N

Chilling Method: Immersion Chiller

Fermentation & Conditioning

Fermentation: Wyeast 1728 Scotch Ale Yeast for 42 days at 14.5 C = 58.1 F

Secondary Used: N
Crash-Chilled: N
Filtered: N

Special Instructions/Notes on this Beer

Original recipe says to take 1 liter "first runnings" and "simmer in a saucepan to reduce to a syrup". Then "add the wort reduction back to kettle with about 5 minutes left to go in boil." Whirlfloc not spec'd in original recipe.
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Post #2 made 9 years ago
Hey Bluebear,

A quick confirmation on your mash temperature... From 60 min to 90 minute mash, the mash temperature does not change. If 69 deg C / 156 deg F with 60 minutes, it's same temperature for 90 minutes.

Agree it's tough to know for sure what the 5.5 gallon batch size is. My guess, they mean 5.5 gallon VIF (Volume Into Fermenter), with 5 gallons into packaging. (And VAW approximately 6 gallons or so).

The BCS (Brewing Classic Styles) book is a great one for having easy to scale recipes. Lots of other recipes we find on the Internet are "dodgy", as the Ausies like to say.
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Post #3 made 9 years ago
Thanks, Scott... yeah, my thinking on the 6 gallon/23 liter VAW guesstimate was exactly as you outline. And thanks for the tip about the mash temps remaining the same when you scale up from 60 to 90 minutes. Key bit of info!

Post #4 made 9 years ago
And following your suggestion, Scott, I consulted BCS and found the JZ version of a caramelized Scottish Heavy 80/-. Much simpler and better input data, to be sure.

Here it is:

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Recipe Overview

Brewer: Credit - Jamil Zainasheff
Style: Scottish Export Ale
Source Recipe Link:
ABV: 3.7% (assumes any priming sugar used is diluted.)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.038
IBU's (Tinseth): 12.1
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.32
Colour: 21.5 EBC = 10.9 SRM

Kettle Efficiency (as in EIB and EAW): 87.1 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 74.7 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 68 C = 154.4 F
Boil: 120 min
Ferment: 14 days at 18 C = 64.4 F

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 32.91 L = 8.69 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 30.88 L = 8.16 G @ 1.028
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 21.82 L = 5.76 G @ 1.038
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 18.7 L = 4.94 G @ 1.038
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 17.32 L = 4.57 G @ 1.011 assuming apparent attenuation of 71 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

98.4% British Pale Ale Malt (7.8 EBC = 4 SRM) 3161 grams = 6.97 pounds
1.6% Black Roasted Barley (1332.8 EBC = 676.5 SRM) 52 grams = 0.11 pounds (Steeped Only)

The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

12.1 IBU Kent Goldings Pellets (5%AA) 18.7 grams = 0.661 ounces at 60 mins

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full-Volume Mash): Saccharifiaction for 90 mins at 68 C = 154.4 F

Strike Water Needed (SWN): 33.56 L = 8.87 G 68.5 C = 155.2 F

Miscellaneous Ingredients

0.75 Whirfloc Tablet (Boil) 5 Mins - Clarity

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: N

Chilling Method: Immersion Chiller

Fermentation & Conditioning

Fermentation: Wyeast 1728 Scotch Ale Yeast for 42 days at 18 C = 64.4 F

Secondary Used: N
Crash-Chilled: N
Filtered: N
Req. Volumes of CO2: 1.75

Special Instructions/Notes on this Beer

JZ recipe says "boil first gallon of runnings from mash" and reduce it down "until the sugars begin to carmelize, and then add that to the main wort." May need additional water to reach correct OG and VAW. Whirlfloc not spec'd in original recipe. Use 2 liquid yeast packages. Authors recommend "at least one week and no more than four weeks" primary fermentation (no secondary) for all ales. (BCS, p. 42)
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Post #5 made 9 years ago
Hi Bluebear,

I took a quick look, and believe your VAW is wrong on the recipe. Should be 5.75 gallons... (I've always had 21.72 liters for 5 gallons, but just ran it through an online converter and got 21.77 liters...almost the same). Anyhow, thought I'd pass that along to you.

I can't specifically vouch for this particular recipe, but have brewed many others from the book. They always wind up very solid. And if you ever want to adjust alcohol content (up or down) it's easy to do with dialing in a higher or lower OG in the BIABacus and it will make the adjustment for you.

Scott
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