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Post #1 made 12 years ago
by lee1
hi all my next biab is moorhouses pendle witches brew the recipie from gw book at 19l help please ive tried to download the biababacus with no succsess i have downloaded the calculator but seems complecated help please :?
soon be dead thank fxxx for that no pain where im going .

Post #2 made 12 years ago
by mally
Sorry Lee I cant help on this (hopefully yeasty can) :pray:
I am interested to see how you do though, it's been about 20 years since my last one.
From memory it was quite sweet, which suits me. :peace:
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
by Yeasty
Have you Microsoft Excel or LibreOffice installed Lee ?

I can stick it onto a biabacus for you and post it up. It will be later today though, got to go out for a couple of hours doing that work thing :evil:

What size is your kettle, (diameter and depth in CM)
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
by lee1
hi yeasty im on excel my grains are just mashing now had a bit of a guess took the recepie from gw book 19l cheers lee :)
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Post #6 made 12 years ago
by Yeasty
Hi Lee

I've run it through the Biabacus, file attached.( my equipment profile and hops used AA% missing)

If you have used GW's amounts for 19L I recon you will be up by about 6 points on your OG and your IBU's will be down about a point. No biggy as you can dilute into fermenter so you'll get more beer and the 1 point IBU will be hard to detect and is rectrospective.

The above is down to efficiency differences by the way. GW uses 75% which is very conservative.

:luck:

Yeasty
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
by mally
Hi Yeasty,
Do you know the type of crystal or the expected SRM? I have saved this on my to do list and want as much info as possible :thumbs:
G B
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I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #9 made 12 years ago
by lee1
hi all i ended up with sg of 1044 with 20l in fv not purfect but not bad for a guess sg should have been 1048 at 19l but realy enjoyed doing the brew hope it turns out ok i used safe ale 04 yeast hope these are going to be happy days :thumbs:
soon be dead thank fxxx for that no pain where im going .

Post #10 made 12 years ago
by PistolPatch
Good on you Lee :thumbs:,

Just having a quick look and if you used Yeasty's file, everything looks great. I suspect that you are actually within 3% of what was predicted but some of your terminology is a bit unclear so I can't be sure. [EDIT: Ignore this ;) - see next post for why.]

I'm the site's terminology PITA so I might as well be the one to ask...

What do you mean by fv? It might seem obvious to you but it isn't to me and I have been brewing for years. Do you mean, 'fermenting vessel', 'final volume,' 'finishing volume,' or something else?

The important thing to communicate on a brew, assuming you have done no post-boil dilutions or fermentable additions, is EOBV-A. This is the end of boil volume at ambient temperature. Which is the same as your...

VIF plus KFL = (Volume into Fermentor + Kettle to Fermentor Loss)

Unless we know your EOBV-A, we can't really tell or advise much. We are forced to guess. My guess is that you were actually very close to Yeasty's prediction and set-up and I would be very reluctant to change anything for your next brew without more detailed info.

Does that make sense?

:dunno:
PP
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Post #13 made 12 years ago
by PistolPatch
Hey Lee, that was actually a crappy post I did above. Hit me over the head with a hammer :headhit:.

There's actually nothing wrong with your post at all or the term 'fv'. Please accept my apologies. Was a bit sleep-derived and was actually wishfully hoping you might have meant your End of Boil Volume as the numbers would have balanced a bit better. So, my fault, not yours.

Did you end up with much trub in the kettle do you know?

Apologies again,
PP
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Post #14 made 12 years ago
by lee1
hi pistol no probs about the post , i will try and keep this simple i have about 4l of trub in the bottom of my boiler when the tap stops flowing [emptying my boiler into my fv ]this 4l is where my calculations are going wrong i think :think:
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Post #15 made 12 years ago
by Yeasty
Hi Lee

Some questions for you.

Is it trub or is it beer and trub. How high is the outlet up the side of the vessel. If there is to much dead space can you fit a dip tube to get more wort out reducing your losses. Perhaps a hop filter can be fitted ?

Just thinking aloud mate :headhit:
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Post #16 made 12 years ago
by lee1
hi yeasty when i posted yesterday i thought there is still beer mixed in with the trub , the boiler has got a hop strainer on it but if i tip the boiler the wort still comes out [how can i put this ? ] very sandy to think of a better way of putting it :think: bellow my tap holds about 4l . a thought ive had is should i brew to a 21l brew to hit my targets and take 19l out of the boiler :?: any suggestions thank lee . ah i have a syphon tube that i can fit a fine hop bag over the end , still open to ideas :scratch:
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Post #17 made 12 years ago
by mally
Lee

If you get a chance have a look at this thread
I don't worry too much about trub, but there are some pics that might ring true?
i used safe ale 04 yeast hope these are going to be happy days
It's been 3 days since pitching, should be done now! :lol:

Seriously though, Can you let me/us know how it tastes when it's drinkable please?
I will be trying this myself soon, so would like to know how it compares. :peace:
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G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #18 made 12 years ago
by lee1
cheers for the link mally very interesting by the way my witches brew is already down to 1012 and smells great will keep you informed :)
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Post #19 made 12 years ago
by djseaton
So im looking at doing this one next, think my Saltaire was a failure!It seems low on the hydrometer.

Ive got a boiler diameter of 31.83 cm, 40 cm high, will the above xls work for me?
How much water do i start with in the boiler?

Post #20 made 12 years ago
by Yeasty
djseaton wrote:So im looking at doing this one next, think my Saltaire was a failure!It seems low on the hydrometer.

Ive got a boiler diameter of 31.83 cm, 40 cm high, will the above xls work for me?
How much water do i start with in the boiler?
Hi dj,

I think this would be ok as its a GW recipe and they convert well.

Change the figures in section B to match your equipment. This will be the limit of you boiler so be careful.
You can hold back a couple of litres to make it more manageable and add it back during the boil.

Don't forget to add your hop AA% under substitutions. Any problems just post your file and I'll check it over.

:luck:

Yeasty
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Post #22 made 12 years ago
by Yeasty
The hop AA% should be on the packets your hops came in.

Your estimated volumes are in section "O". The one to look out for is the Mash volume which should be less than your kettle volume.
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Post #23 made 12 years ago
by mally
Lee1
Looks like your choice of brew has created a little interest. It did for me anyway!
I brewed this at the weekend and it is now fermenting. Have you had a sample of yours yet?
Just wondered what you thought of it
G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #24 made 12 years ago
by mally
This Pendle Witch brew has been conditioning for a bit less than 2 weeks, and it is very nice. I guess it can only get better with a bit more aging.
It is also how i remember it, so a very good clone. I may even buy a bottle of the original & do a side by side just to be sure (as it was a long time ago). :scratch:

One area i am not sure of though (and i think Lee has noticed it too), is the hops are almost undetectable. I have never used Fuggles before, but I thought I should be able to detect 30 IBU's of it? Anybody else have experienced of Fuggles? Maybe it is old stock?
G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #25 made 12 years ago
by mally
Just thought I would update with a comparison.

Its been 3 months since I brewed this, and I managed to get a bottle of the real stuff to do a side by side (see pic).
pendle witch.jpg
I am happy with the colour, and the taste is fairly similar but there is something missing in mine that I can't put my finger on.
It's a similar taste to the St Austell Tribute bottle I tried (and evil pumpking too) link, almost toffee like. Interested to know why this is, I am currently thinking the malt bill is different, but I guess it could be a multitude of things?

Who knows :scratch:

BTW real one on the left, clone on the right. It looks cloudier than it is, must have been condensation on the glass.
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I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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