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Orkney Northern Light Recipe?

Post #1 made 14 years ago
by bruit
Alright guys. I was drinking "Orkney Northern Light" on draught, at the weekend and really enjoyed it. I usually prefer real ales and the likes and bought a pint of this to try expecting something along these lines and got a pleasant surprise. From the Orkney Brewery its a hoppy ale which is something Ive never really tried before, not many hoppy ales around in my neck of the woods, (rural Perthshire in Scotland), light in colour, very smooth with a good body to it and very refreshing. Its described as having fruity tones and aroma but at the time I remember it was clover that came to mind. Whatever, it hit the spot on a sweltering hot afternoon :smoke: Any of you guys had the pleasure and would anyone have a recipe for it, I'd love to have a bottle or 40 on the shelf :drink: Cheers. :thumbs:
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Post #2 made 14 years ago
by lambert
Hi bruit
Haven't tasted the Orkney Northern Light but will try my best to get my hands on a pint or 2. I've found the NBR All Amarillo APA to be a very nice brew, and also an easy, solid, recipe to make. Oh, and being an APA mean it's really hoppy. I've played around with using different hops with this recipe (Cluster and Cascade) and the end result was different but still very nice - and hoppy.

An alternative is to use British hops and do the Victory and Chaos IPA from John Palmer. I would suggest dry hopping (28g / 1oz) this brew. Shout if you need help with converting the recipe!

Oh, and if you are ever on the other side of the Tay try to get your hands on the IPA from the St Andrews Brewing Company. I've tasted their IPA at the Cupar Farmers market and it was really good. Their Fife Gold beer might be closer to the style you are looking for? Unfortunately I did not taste it!

Hope the above helps.

Lambert
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Post #3 made 14 years ago
by bruit
Hi Lambert thanks for the info. Sorry I cant tell you where to find the Northern Light but I'll be looking out for it too. Let you know if/where I find it. I was drinking it at a wedding reception in the Drovers Inn at Memis near Kirriemuir if your ever in that area. Ive seen the St Andrews on the shelf in the supermarkets but havent tried it yet, although to be fair I'd have went for an ale type if I had. Think I'll have to broaden my horizons a bit.
Had a look at the recipes you mentioned and both look simple enough, might have to go with both for a comparison, or choose one to get an idea about hopping ratios to suit my taste. Descisions ha ha.
Think I'll have to have a wee look at some hop characters to see if I can find one to give similar results to the ONL. I'll put up a post when its done to let you know how I got on.
Thanks again for the help.
Bruit.

Post #4 made 14 years ago
by lambert
Bruit
Crap, I'm leading you astray here. I've just Googled the ONL and it is not very close to recipes I've recommended :headhit: :idiot: . I see that it's Pale Ale using mostly noble hops (Liberty is Hallertauer Mittlefrüh cross). I haven't brewed a pale ale with those hops so I can't recommend any recipes! Maybe you should try the Krispy Kolsch with some late hops additions?
Damn, I hope some of the more experienced guys on here will post a recipe! That being said - APA recipe I've recommended earlier is really something special! You can't go wrong with it!

Sorry for the confusion!

Bertie
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Post #5 made 14 years ago
by bruit
Hey Lambert no worries. I tried Googling it but didnt find that much info on it like the type of hops. Well done and cheers for making the effort.

I think it was the hop flavour that made it distinctive so the pale ale recipe itself might not be that important. That being said I'm looking at recipes to see if anything stands out. Still intend giving your recipe suggestions a go though, might even give them a go with the noble hops and see how it turns out. Might be nothing like it but Im sure it'll still be good, or would I be spoiling an already good beer?

Hopping it is the issue. Late hopping will be when the flavour is addaed but Ive never late hopped before so not sure how much I should be adding. I read to add them to secondry fermenter, would that be right?

Thanks again for all your help Bertie.

Cheers Stew.

Post #6 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
Late hopping is actually I believe a method some guys are playing around with where they will add all of there hops a a later time but bump up their wts. or AA% to make up the bittering.Adding hops to the fermentor is referred to as Dry Hopping.
I am going to suggest you try a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale clone.There are many of these available and are all very close to the same.Sierra Nevada is very open to making their ingredients known and this has made it easy for the Jamil and McDole type brewers to clone them very closely.I blame SNPA for my recent fall into the hoppy brew side of brewing.MMM
Try this one,it worked good for me.http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/sierra- ... st-313150/Good luck,I will continue searching for info on your Orkney.
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Post #7 made 14 years ago
by bruit
Lylo wrote:Late hopping is actually I believe a method some guys are playing around with where they will add all of there hops a a later time but bump up their wts. or AA% to make up the bittering.Adding hops to the fermentor is referred to as Dry Hopping.
Cheers Lylo, dry hopping was what I was reffering to, didnt realise there was a difference. I think thats what Lambert meant too but I could be wrong, I misunderstood what he meant by "noble" hops as well, sorry Lambert, got it now mate :blush:

Im a bit of a novice and have stuck to making clones of my favourites which are the Scottish 80/- type brews, so this is stepping into the unknown for me both in brewing and taste. The link lambert gave me for the Orkney Northern Light I wanted to clone says its a;


"A pale, straw colored ale with fruity notes. Brewed with Pale Ale malt and Hersbrucker, Saaz and Liberty hops for a crisp bitter finish".


Any help with "amounts and when to add" regarding the hops would be greatly appreciated. Its the mixing of hop varieties that Im not sure of.

Think it might be an introduction to a whole new world of beer drinking for me that Ive sadly missed out on but its going to be much fun catching up. :peace:

Stew
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Post #8 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
Mixing of varieties lend a complexty to your brew.some hops will work against each other and render flavours that maybe shouldn't be there.Try to stick with the hops used in the original recipes if you really care to try to emulate somethin.As you look around the site you will find that many of us don,t sweat a lot of details,so long as we make drinkable beer and have fun doin it,all is good.
As far as timing of hop additions,you can go with what is spec'd in the recipe or just wing it.Some of us fall asleep on the couch for the middle additions :blush: and thus have gone to FWH and cube hopping!
If you don't happen to have the hops listed in the original,just search "hop substitutions" on google and you will find something useful.
I think you are on the right track,but at this point don't sweat the details but take lots of readings and notes to keep PP happy!
I like to refer every one to this.http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=647
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Post #9 made 14 years ago
by lambert
Hi Stew
When I saw your first post and I saw "hoppy" I immediately (and wrongly) assumed that the beer you had was an American Pale Ale (APA), or even an Indian Pale Ale (IPA). Hence my initial suggestions.
I then saw the description of the ONL and the hops used. My only experience with those hops were when they were used as as bittering hops (60-45 minute boil time) in lagers and a Belgian ale. I've heard of some people using these noble hops in ales before but I thought those were just once off experiments. I have, however, Googled "pale ale with noble hops" and I've realised, once again, how little I know of this brewing thing!

I also consider a hoppy ale as an ale with loads of hop aroma and flavour and that you would normally get from late (30-0 minutes boil time) hop additions as well as dry hopping. I've dry hopped the APA's and the IPA I've brewed and I really liked the effect. I normally add dry hops to the primary fermenter 3-4 days after I've pitched the yeast. I don't rack my beer to a secondary - just keep it in the primary for 2-3 weeks.

I am currently brewing some beers "by the book". I want to establish some benchmark brews and once I'm comfortable with brewing them consistently well I'll start experimenting with FWH, cube hopping, etc. I have not got nearly as many brews under my belt as Lylo :lol: I do, however, know that the one bit of advice I've got from him (to get a auto syphon/jiggler to transfer hot wort) was golden!

Cheers,
Bertie
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Post #10 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
Berti I should mention that I found with the jiggler that it tend to block some times withhops/trub etc.make sur it is clean and moving freely before you start!To qoute BobBrew "don't ask how I know this".
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Post #11 made 14 years ago
by BobBrews
Lylo,
As far as timing of hop additions,you can go with what is spec'd in the recipe or just wing it.Some of us fall asleep on the couch for the middle additions :blush: and thus have gone to FWH and cube hopping!
When you say "cube hopping" are you saying that you add the late hop additions to the cube and leave them there until cooled? :scratch: Are you saying that your leaving the hops in there to extract the bittering qualities and keep the aroma's intact?

I have been saving "All" my late additions to use as dry hops. I have been just leaving my bittering hops in the wort and then hopping as much as 4 ounces (113 grams). I usually just add them to the primary after active fermentation is done. If I am reusing the yeast cake I will use a secondary for hoppy beers.

I am going to start FWH to follow your lead! It will be interesting to put the hops at the extreme ends of the brew!
and thus have gone to FWH and cube hopping!
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Post #12 made 14 years ago
by joshua
Good Day BB, when you go FWH, remember some bittering hops do add some Flavor, Lemon, Tangerine, Grapfruit, or Pine, etc.

This won't happen if you drop the hops at -60 minutes of boil, so beware some flavors don't work well with some beers.

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Post #13 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
Hey BB your up early!Gotta pee? Yes I put the hops in a bag in the cube when I syphon from the BK.I find it easy and since I usually miss my addition times anyway it sort of covers all my bases.I do try to use the recipes bitterings additions though.
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