Hello all,
I've recently switched software as stated but having some difficulties with the setup.
I've always used software in sync with The Calculator, but am having a little difficulty matching the values.
I've followed the equipment setup and I'm happy with the values from this; near perfect match.
However, when I plug a recipe in, the water volume is either too high or too low, by a good few litres!
How can I get this to calculate the volume matched with The Calculator, or should I just tweak each mash to match?
Post #2 made 12 years ago
Captain,Since you use The Calculator, Have you thought about using BIABACUS, instead Brewsmith???
Take a Look at http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php ... 25&p=31427 and check post 20 for a verson of BIABacus PR1.3G.
Take a Look at http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php ... 25&p=31427 and check post 20 for a verson of BIABacus PR1.3G.
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
Welcome aboard Cap 
,
Unfortunately there are many traps, pitfalls and errors in existing commercial brewing software. For example, there are 6 different ways in which you can easily scale a recipe incorrectly in BeerSmith. In other words, you can destroy the integrity of a recipe with a single mouse click. These recipes get passed on and on.
A few people like myself spent quite a lot of time trying to work out ways of being able to teach people how to use BeerSmith quickly and safely. Despite all this effort, it just isn't possible. (And there was a lot of effort. In fact, the most comprehensive threads on BeerSmith's equipment set-up have been written by a few key people from BIABrewer).
The last time I answered a BeerSmith question here was on scaling a recipe and it took me hours and several posts to explain. I don't think it is in any of our interests to do that again. You'd still have to study the guide we wrote here for hours and hours anyway.
joshua's advice above on learning the BIABacus is correct. Even though it is just a spreadsheet and daunting on a first look, the important stuff can be learned in a few beers. More importantly, it is very safe and far more powerful than anything else out there. If the other software was not badly and multi-flawed we would not have bothered spending thousands of man hours identifying and solving the flaws.
I think I know what the problem with your water volumes will be caused by but I am not going to be able to explain it any faster here than you will be able to find yourself, studying the link to the guide I gave above. Personally, I wouldn't waste your time on trying to get your head around how the software wants you to work. Any software whose calculations depend on you having to provide a 'brewhouse efficiency' for it to work properly is starting with the worst design flaw ever.
Unfortunately the above about existing commercial software is the reality. Fortunately, what I have written about the BIABacus above is also a reality. Now we have a choice at least.
,
PP
,Unfortunately there are many traps, pitfalls and errors in existing commercial brewing software. For example, there are 6 different ways in which you can easily scale a recipe incorrectly in BeerSmith. In other words, you can destroy the integrity of a recipe with a single mouse click. These recipes get passed on and on.
A few people like myself spent quite a lot of time trying to work out ways of being able to teach people how to use BeerSmith quickly and safely. Despite all this effort, it just isn't possible. (And there was a lot of effort. In fact, the most comprehensive threads on BeerSmith's equipment set-up have been written by a few key people from BIABrewer).
The last time I answered a BeerSmith question here was on scaling a recipe and it took me hours and several posts to explain. I don't think it is in any of our interests to do that again. You'd still have to study the guide we wrote here for hours and hours anyway.
joshua's advice above on learning the BIABacus is correct. Even though it is just a spreadsheet and daunting on a first look, the important stuff can be learned in a few beers. More importantly, it is very safe and far more powerful than anything else out there. If the other software was not badly and multi-flawed we would not have bothered spending thousands of man hours identifying and solving the flaws.
I think I know what the problem with your water volumes will be caused by but I am not going to be able to explain it any faster here than you will be able to find yourself, studying the link to the guide I gave above. Personally, I wouldn't waste your time on trying to get your head around how the software wants you to work. Any software whose calculations depend on you having to provide a 'brewhouse efficiency' for it to work properly is starting with the worst design flaw ever.
Unfortunately the above about existing commercial software is the reality. Fortunately, what I have written about the BIABacus above is also a reality. Now we have a choice at least.
,PP
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
Hi Joshua. I've had a little play around with it previously but was hoping to have a 'one for all' in terms of recipe design, stock control etc. but...joshua wrote:Have you thought about using BIABACUS
This makes me think again. PP, after reading a lot of posts relating to the setup I take your point. As I say, I wanted to have one less program to use (I've just started using the excellent Bru'n Water for managing the water side of things!) but I'm seeing more benefit to using the BIABacus in combination with BeerSmith; the latter for stock control and recipe design, and the former for measurements and records.PistolPatch wrote:Personally, I wouldn't waste your time on trying to get your head around how the software wants you to work. Any software whose calculations depend on you having to provide a 'brewhouse efficiency' for it to work properly is starting with the worst design flaw ever.
Thanks for your insightful replies Joshua and PistolPatch, realistically I knew that I wouldn't get the answer I was looking for but its always useful to get a good dose of truth!
Time to revisit BIABacus...
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
Hi again CapCptFrederickson wrote:This makes me think again... I wanted to have one less program to use... but I'm seeing more benefit to using the BIABacus in combination with BeerSmith; the latter for stock control and recipe design, and the former for measurements and records...
. I meant to reply here earlier but got side-tracked.
on the, 'good dose of the truth,' comment. A refreshing and very sensible comment I think. I'm going to write a few more things here because I think you might find them interesting.Firstly, beware of gimmicky stuff. I have a whole room here full of equipment that I thought would do wonders for my brewing. I posted a pic here somewhere - lol! What I am saying is that my positive and enthusiastic attitude often leads me to think that what I am buying will actually do as it says or will save me heaps of work/time.
Software can have a lot of gimmicky stuff that at the end of the day is of no real value and will actually cost you more work and time.
Firstly, let's look at stock control. The first thing to ask yourself is, "When I buy a grain or a hopp, am I clearly marking it with the date I bought it?" If you are like me, you still, even though I know better,won't be doing that." If you can't mark your stock with the day you bought it then how on earth are you going to find the time to press the right buttons on the computer? (Besides that, the stock control side of brewing software is really crap. One wrong button press and you stuff up your whole inventory.)
Gimmicks often steal from your consciousness. We home brewers are not running warehouses of stock. Pulling your grains and hops out once in a while, looking at them and maybe even weighing them, slams into your brain what you have. Typing numbers into a computer doesn't. Awareness/consciousness makes a master.
The next thing I wanted to mention is recipe design. In one of the earliest BIABacus versions, we actually had drop-down lists of beer styles and a graphic (much better than anything else around) that visually showed you if you were in style. The BIABacus you are using is macro-free and therefore does not have this 'feature', but was it really a feature or a gimmick?
The BIABacus actually works far better and faster for the 'conscious' or aware recipe designer than any other software. It's like that in most areas actually. Other software gives you what I mentioned above, drop-down list of styles and lets you know if you are out of the gravity, bitterness or colour range.
Let's just stop and think for a second just on gravity and bitterness. If you are designing a recipe, the first 'conscious' decisions you need to make are, "What gravity and what bitterness do I want this beer to be?"
The BIABacus forces you to answer those questions and type your answers in when designing. Other software allows you to just type in random stuff and, if, by luck, it falls within a range, you think you are 'on style'. If not, just keep fiddling.
It gets worse though....
Some commercial software has a colour scaling option. If you search my posts for 'flavour versus colour' you'll probably find more info on this but the lowest priority in beer design should be colour. The BIABacus handles colour though so, here is my question...
"Seeing as The BIABacus handles gravity, bitterness and colour, what can the other software give you, of real value, that the BIABacus can't?"
...
I'm not sure if you have already read this somewhere else here but one of the main goals of the BIABacus is to force the user to ask the right questions at the right time and level of their experience.
When used as a designer, the BIABacus forces the user to answer (make a conscious decision) on the gravity and bitterness question first. In other words, they need to do some research. No scaling based on colour is allowed because such scaling can totally distort the flavour profile of the beer.
Make sense Cap?
PP
P.S. There are a million ways we want and would be able to improve the BIABacus if it were coded. These things are clever and non-gimmicky and would be of real benefit but they really need a few people working on them almost full-time. In other words, we just might have to live with the BIABacus in it's current form until the right circumstances or people come along.
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Post #6 made 12 years ago
Hi there PP,
Thanks for your in depth reply. I hear what you're saying about the gimmicky stuff, often thought of as 'labour saving' or 'more efficient', most of the time they're just rubbish. About the only thing I've ever bought that fit this criteria was the bottle washer I got the other week!
Other than that, there is a corner of my basement that I try to forget about...
As to program gimmicks; I spent a long time using BrewMate, and was very satisified using this with The Calculator. Recipe in one, volumes of water, efficiency etc on the other. Good combo in my experience.
And then along comes a post on JBK (don't know if you know that forum? It's a UK one. Some of you Aussies post on there) informing me that there was a 'special deal' on BeerSmith. I had previously downloaded the trial and didn't get on with it, but gave it another crack and thought 'Yeah, not so bad. Some of its pretty good'. A short burst of frivolity later, and here I am, reading long threads explaining the complexity of setting up BIAB and getting most of the way there with matching my trusted source (the ever reliable calculator) but still not quite making it...
I've been gradually setting up the BIABacus and this second time around I'm really digging the features, much more user friendly than I first thought and nowhere near as daunting!
I think my brewing is moving on well and my understanding is definitely beyond where I was at first try. I tend to design recipes 'to taste' far more than within style guidelines these days anyways so its a logical step to break away from the rigidity of other software.
Hope you don't mind, I've attached a file after playing around with the BIABacus, its for an SNPA inspired APA. Its in very rough form (I'm going to re-measure the kettle this weekend as I guesstimated a bit), but if you don't mind having a look over it I'd really appreciate the feedback!
Cheers,
D.
Edit - Here's the link to the recipe I'm basing it on (I've played around with the hopping a bit), its a popular one over here, one of the big brew suppliers even do an AG recipe kit based on it.
Thanks for your in depth reply. I hear what you're saying about the gimmicky stuff, often thought of as 'labour saving' or 'more efficient', most of the time they're just rubbish. About the only thing I've ever bought that fit this criteria was the bottle washer I got the other week!
Other than that, there is a corner of my basement that I try to forget about...
As to program gimmicks; I spent a long time using BrewMate, and was very satisified using this with The Calculator. Recipe in one, volumes of water, efficiency etc on the other. Good combo in my experience.
And then along comes a post on JBK (don't know if you know that forum? It's a UK one. Some of you Aussies post on there) informing me that there was a 'special deal' on BeerSmith. I had previously downloaded the trial and didn't get on with it, but gave it another crack and thought 'Yeah, not so bad. Some of its pretty good'. A short burst of frivolity later, and here I am, reading long threads explaining the complexity of setting up BIAB and getting most of the way there with matching my trusted source (the ever reliable calculator) but still not quite making it...
I've been gradually setting up the BIABacus and this second time around I'm really digging the features, much more user friendly than I first thought and nowhere near as daunting!
I think my brewing is moving on well and my understanding is definitely beyond where I was at first try. I tend to design recipes 'to taste' far more than within style guidelines these days anyways so its a logical step to break away from the rigidity of other software.
Hope you don't mind, I've attached a file after playing around with the BIABacus, its for an SNPA inspired APA. Its in very rough form (I'm going to re-measure the kettle this weekend as I guesstimated a bit), but if you don't mind having a look over it I'd really appreciate the feedback!
Cheers,
D.
Edit - Here's the link to the recipe I'm basing it on (I've played around with the hopping a bit), its a popular one over here, one of the big brew suppliers even do an AG recipe kit based on it.
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
Lol on the corner of the basement Cap .
I'll try and be quick in this post because, as usual, BIABrewer has swallowed my time up
. How does that happen???
Regarding the complexity of setting up BIAB in BeerSmith (or any other program that is based around an efficiency into fermentor), it's actually, more correctly, the complexity of setting up any all-grain method unfortunately.
I'm glad you are liking the BIABacus on a second look. There are many layers/capabilities in it to explore as and when you need them but, hopefully, as much simplicity has been retained without 'dumbing down' things that should not be dumbed down. From a recipe design point of view, there is only one scenario where it is not a lot faster than commercial software but this scenario is usually poor practice and can be worked around in a moment anyway.
Like your comment on designing recipes to taste. It's brewers like you who end up making the best beers and having the greatest ingredient knowledge I think.
Now, onto your file....
The first number I look at in a BIABacus file that is based on copying an original recipe, is on the first line of the Hop Bill. In this BIABacus version it is called, 'Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW)' while in prior versions it was called 'End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A)'.
You have typed in 54.55 L (14.41 Gal) and this shows you have taken some care into trying to find out that number because it is not obvious in the original recipe.
Before we go any further, can you let me know how you derived that number Cap? This is mainly for my own interest*.
PP
P.S. A search here of SNPA will bring up some good posts and a BIABAcus file from memory.
* I don't want to confuse you or anyone else but in this situation, you are sort of half designing and half copying a recipe. Because you have typed in a Desired IBU number into Section D, VAW becomes much less important. In fact, all it affects is the grain colour on the left hand side of Section C.
.I'll try and be quick in this post because, as usual, BIABrewer has swallowed my time up
. How does that happen???Regarding the complexity of setting up BIAB in BeerSmith (or any other program that is based around an efficiency into fermentor), it's actually, more correctly, the complexity of setting up any all-grain method unfortunately.
I'm glad you are liking the BIABacus on a second look. There are many layers/capabilities in it to explore as and when you need them but, hopefully, as much simplicity has been retained without 'dumbing down' things that should not be dumbed down. From a recipe design point of view, there is only one scenario where it is not a lot faster than commercial software but this scenario is usually poor practice and can be worked around in a moment anyway.
Like your comment on designing recipes to taste. It's brewers like you who end up making the best beers and having the greatest ingredient knowledge I think.
Now, onto your file....
The first number I look at in a BIABacus file that is based on copying an original recipe, is on the first line of the Hop Bill. In this BIABacus version it is called, 'Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW)' while in prior versions it was called 'End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A)'.
You have typed in 54.55 L (14.41 Gal) and this shows you have taken some care into trying to find out that number because it is not obvious in the original recipe.
Before we go any further, can you let me know how you derived that number Cap? This is mainly for my own interest*.
PP
P.S. A search here of SNPA will bring up some good posts and a BIABAcus file from memory.
* I don't want to confuse you or anyone else but in this situation, you are sort of half designing and half copying a recipe. Because you have typed in a Desired IBU number into Section D, VAW becomes much less important. In fact, all it affects is the grain colour on the left hand side of Section C.
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
Cheers for the replies guys.
In answer to your question PP, I think the cause for confusion would be the metric/imperial conversion thing. Looking at the recipe I had to make some assumptions...
First, it mentions 'Batch Size - 12.00 gal' as well as 'Brewhouse Efficiency - 70.00'. The conversion from gallons to litres would be 54.55, based on imperial gallons as the recipe is from a British forum and we use proper measurements
The second figure, in itself, is irrelevant. But, it suggests to me that it was created in BeerSmith (being vaguely familiar with that program, as you may gather from another thread!). Now, this is a leap of logic I know, but on that basis I interpreted that would mean 'Batch Size' would be my VAW. Looking over it now and reappraising the BeerSmith terminology I see and error which I guess prompted your question. 'Batch Size' is VIF in BeerSmith
Looks like my presumption was wrong...
I thought for a sec, back to the drawing board! But then looking at the volume, he must have been doing a double brew length; probably 50 litres into fermenter so for the sake of argument this figure could be rounded to 58 litres (I used The Calculator as a guide here; 'standard' length for brews here seems to be finishing with 23 litres of beer, so I typed 46 litres into The Calculator's Brew Length field, giving 57.98 for End of Boil Volume...
So! I'm thinking correct that to 58 litres?
As you rightly say I'm half copying, half designing so not so much of a problem but damn good question anyways and it made me interrogate my logic!
Hope all of that makes sense, I've been drinking and watching cricket this afternoon so brain less functional than usual
In answer to your question PP, I think the cause for confusion would be the metric/imperial conversion thing. Looking at the recipe I had to make some assumptions...
First, it mentions 'Batch Size - 12.00 gal' as well as 'Brewhouse Efficiency - 70.00'. The conversion from gallons to litres would be 54.55, based on imperial gallons as the recipe is from a British forum and we use proper measurements
The second figure, in itself, is irrelevant. But, it suggests to me that it was created in BeerSmith (being vaguely familiar with that program, as you may gather from another thread!). Now, this is a leap of logic I know, but on that basis I interpreted that would mean 'Batch Size' would be my VAW. Looking over it now and reappraising the BeerSmith terminology I see and error which I guess prompted your question. 'Batch Size' is VIF in BeerSmith
Looks like my presumption was wrong...
I thought for a sec, back to the drawing board! But then looking at the volume, he must have been doing a double brew length; probably 50 litres into fermenter so for the sake of argument this figure could be rounded to 58 litres (I used The Calculator as a guide here; 'standard' length for brews here seems to be finishing with 23 litres of beer, so I typed 46 litres into The Calculator's Brew Length field, giving 57.98 for End of Boil Volume...
So! I'm thinking correct that to 58 litres?
As you rightly say I'm half copying, half designing so not so much of a problem but damn good question anyways and it made me interrogate my logic!
Hope all of that makes sense, I've been drinking and watching cricket this afternoon so brain less functional than usual
Post #9 made 12 years ago
I think your brain was doing pretty well Cap .
This paragraph is all advanced stuff so ignore it if you like. This recipe is a great example of one that would be almost impossible to copy accurately. Batch size in BeerSmith can mean VIF or VAW depending on how you set your equipment profile up. Some people do it one way and others another. In this case I think the user actually means a VAW of 12 US gallons. To guess that though I had to look at the date of the recipe report and know what errors there are in BeerSmith 1 (colour and gravity errors). If you use 12 gallons (45.43 L) in Section B and Section D, then in Section X, set the auto-efficiency to 70% and KFL to 0, you will see the left and right grain bills match to within about 4% and the left hand colour will be 15.7 EBC which is within 4% of the original recipe's 16 and about equal to the BeerSmith error. Just to make matters more complicated, in BeerSmith1, if batch size is set up to mean VIF, the colour formula error increases to an amount equal to the kettle trub percentage and so become useless.
And if you have followed all that, go and have another beer
Back to the easy stuff...
In sections C and D, you don't have to write in anything twice. The only time the right hand side is typed into is when you are substituting something. For example, if you substituted Maris Otter for Pale Ale, you'd write Pale Ale and the new colour on the right. As for your hops, there was no need, in this case, to type the hop name or time twice as they are the same as the left hand side.
I've sort of run out of time now but everything else looks excellent Cap. I'm not great on recipe design but to me, that looks excellent as well. Maybe just change the last hop addition time to 0 mins.
So, nice work mate
,
PP
.This paragraph is all advanced stuff so ignore it if you like. This recipe is a great example of one that would be almost impossible to copy accurately. Batch size in BeerSmith can mean VIF or VAW depending on how you set your equipment profile up. Some people do it one way and others another. In this case I think the user actually means a VAW of 12 US gallons. To guess that though I had to look at the date of the recipe report and know what errors there are in BeerSmith 1 (colour and gravity errors). If you use 12 gallons (45.43 L) in Section B and Section D, then in Section X, set the auto-efficiency to 70% and KFL to 0, you will see the left and right grain bills match to within about 4% and the left hand colour will be 15.7 EBC which is within 4% of the original recipe's 16 and about equal to the BeerSmith error. Just to make matters more complicated, in BeerSmith1, if batch size is set up to mean VIF, the colour formula error increases to an amount equal to the kettle trub percentage and so become useless.
And if you have followed all that, go and have another beer
Back to the easy stuff...
In sections C and D, you don't have to write in anything twice. The only time the right hand side is typed into is when you are substituting something. For example, if you substituted Maris Otter for Pale Ale, you'd write Pale Ale and the new colour on the right. As for your hops, there was no need, in this case, to type the hop name or time twice as they are the same as the left hand side.
I've sort of run out of time now but everything else looks excellent Cap. I'm not great on recipe design but to me, that looks excellent as well. Maybe just change the last hop addition time to 0 mins.
So, nice work mate
,PP
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Post #10 made 12 years ago
Top answer again PP 
Really appreciate you taking the time to look this one over. I've reappraised based on what you've said and I've just started to realise the depth of complexity involved in both the BIABacus and recipe conversion (as stated on many threads, but only just fully realised by me!)
So on that basis I've decided to do what I generally always do in these situations; take the rough details (OG, IBU, grains, hops) as a guide and develop something to my own liking!
And thanks for the guidance on how to go about some of the basics on the spreadsheet, I've had a good play about and refined some of the details today and I must say its remarkably user friendly. Looking at The Calculator for compariison I can see the figures are all still in the ballpark, although I am considering lowering the efficiency a little (again using The Calculator as a guide) until I get a feel for how it all works.
Looking forward to getting a brew on next weekend now!
Really appreciate you taking the time to look this one over. I've reappraised based on what you've said and I've just started to realise the depth of complexity involved in both the BIABacus and recipe conversion (as stated on many threads, but only just fully realised by me!)
So on that basis I've decided to do what I generally always do in these situations; take the rough details (OG, IBU, grains, hops) as a guide and develop something to my own liking!
And thanks for the guidance on how to go about some of the basics on the spreadsheet, I've had a good play about and refined some of the details today and I must say its remarkably user friendly. Looking at The Calculator for compariison I can see the figures are all still in the ballpark, although I am considering lowering the efficiency a little (again using The Calculator as a guide) until I get a feel for how it all works.
Looking forward to getting a brew on next weekend now!
Post #11 made 12 years ago
Nice to be of service Captain .
Also pretty cool you are seeing some of the depth/complexity but simplicity of the BIABacus. You are probably starting to get that the BIABacus can be used immediately by anyone from the most basic beginner through to the most advanced brewer.
It also shouldn't be fought. Above you mentioned lowering the 'efficiency' a little using The Calculator as a guide. Don't do that, just let the BIABacus work all that out for you. Why?...
All other programs, including The Calculator, work off the user having to guess what kettle efficiency or, worse still, fermentor efficiency, they will get. In other words, they handball the hardest number to figure out to the brewer.
For a start and you may have learned this somewhere else on this site by now Cap, kettle efficiency decreases as the amount of water that comes into contact with the grain decreases. To simplify things, a higher OG brew will give you less kettle efficiency than a low OG brew. The BIABacus actually looks at how much water touches the grain and then auto-calculates your kettle efficiency for you.
What this Means to You...
You should actually do a bit better than the BIABacus auto-estimates. If you hit numbers lower than what is estimated, then this acts as a good indicator that there is something wrong with your brewing process....
I can't stress what a benefit the whole design aspect of the BIABacus is.
Cap, I really don't even know where to begin on just this one single point of how powerful the auto-efficiency is. The BIABacus is so far ahead of anything else it's beyond funny.
I better move on but I hope you understand that most of my time spent writing is due to the deficiencies of other programs rather than spent on explaining the simplicity of the BIABacus.
Not too sure what the answer is here but the the cost of the other programs is starting to get to me especially as I have already spent a lot of time advising them of these most basic problems before.
PP
.Also pretty cool you are seeing some of the depth/complexity but simplicity of the BIABacus. You are probably starting to get that the BIABacus can be used immediately by anyone from the most basic beginner through to the most advanced brewer.
It also shouldn't be fought. Above you mentioned lowering the 'efficiency' a little using The Calculator as a guide. Don't do that, just let the BIABacus work all that out for you. Why?...
All other programs, including The Calculator, work off the user having to guess what kettle efficiency or, worse still, fermentor efficiency, they will get. In other words, they handball the hardest number to figure out to the brewer.
For a start and you may have learned this somewhere else on this site by now Cap, kettle efficiency decreases as the amount of water that comes into contact with the grain decreases. To simplify things, a higher OG brew will give you less kettle efficiency than a low OG brew. The BIABacus actually looks at how much water touches the grain and then auto-calculates your kettle efficiency for you.
What this Means to You...
You should actually do a bit better than the BIABacus auto-estimates. If you hit numbers lower than what is estimated, then this acts as a good indicator that there is something wrong with your brewing process....
I can't stress what a benefit the whole design aspect of the BIABacus is.
Cap, I really don't even know where to begin on just this one single point of how powerful the auto-efficiency is. The BIABacus is so far ahead of anything else it's beyond funny.
I better move on but I hope you understand that most of my time spent writing is due to the deficiencies of other programs rather than spent on explaining the simplicity of the BIABacus.
Not too sure what the answer is here but the the cost of the other programs is starting to get to me especially as I have already spent a lot of time advising them of these most basic problems before.
PP
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Post #12 made 12 years ago
That's some clever stuff PP! Once again I'll defer to your knowledge on this, as I was getting good efficiency in my Calculator days so given what you've said I don't expect any problems.
Perhaps I was just craving the joy of old when I overshot my efficiency
I can see you've spent a lot of time working on this, so I can understand why you'd be a little peeved that programs like BeerSmith still have taken on your sage advice!
Once I get this brew under my belt I'll post the recipe in the relevent section (if all goes well)
Perhaps I was just craving the joy of old when I overshot my efficiency
I can see you've spent a lot of time working on this, so I can understand why you'd be a little peeved that programs like BeerSmith still have taken on your sage advice!
Once I get this brew under my belt I'll post the recipe in the relevent section (if all goes well)
