Hi guys, I'm getting closer to my first BIAB so I thought I'd construct my first BIAB recipe in Beersmith. What I need to know is when setting the mash volume do I add the boil volume and sparge volume to get my total volume? It's just that the info in Beersmith says set at boil volume but one would assume you also need to add the sparge volume to account for loss to grain. I won't be sparging just draining.
Anyway here is the recipe - A basic APA (I've done heaps of all extract APAs so will be a good comparison).
Kick off Pale Ale
American Pale Ale
Type: All Grain
Date: 27/10/2010
Batch Size: 20.00 L
Brewer: Mat
Boil Size: 25.09 L Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: BIAB Kettle
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:
Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (3.9 EBC) Grain 89.89 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 30L (59.1 EBC) Grain 5.62 %
0.20 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (3.9 EBC) Grain 4.49 %
15.00 gm Cascade [7.50 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops -
15.00 gm Bravo [14.30 %] (60 min) Hops 26.0 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [7.50 %] (20 min) Hops 11.0 IBU
1 Pkgs Sierra Ale Yeast (Proculture #Pro-10) Yeast-Ale
Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.050 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.012 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.97 %
Bitterness: 37.0 IBU
Est Color: 10.8 EBC
Mash Profile
Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out Total Grain Weight: 4.45 kg
Sparge Water: 0.00 L Grain Temperature: 22.2 C
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C TunTemperature: 22.2 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH
Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 29.55 L of water at 70.4 C 67.8 C
As you can see I have added the sparge volume so it is now 0L.
I will also be no chilling so will drop 15mins off each addition and dry hop.
Any comments or advise would be much appreciated.
Cheers, Mat.
Post #2 made 15 years ago
Yeah I did think of that when creating it. Will change it & go for a mash profile like this.sigurdur wrote: I would personally lower the mash temperature to make the beer finish with lower SG, but that is only my opinion.
Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 29.55 L of water at 68.1 C 65.6 C
Cheers for the input.
Last edited by matr on 28 Oct 2010, 08:55, edited 5 times in total.
Post #3 made 15 years ago
Hi mat, I'm not quite sure I understand what you are asking, but I'll have a go any how.
When putting your figures into beersmith you need to put in the total amount of water. So for me that is 37 litres ( to end up with 27 litres at the end of boil). To do this it would be easiest to set up a new mash profile where you can put the figures in yourself. Obviously all the other additions, mashout, sparge etc. would be non-existent or set at zero.
Below is a basic view of how I've set a BIAB profile into Beersmith;
Grain Weight Basis: 5.00 kg
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C
Tun Temperature: -17.8
Batch Sparge: No
Batch Sparge Percent: 0.00
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
PH: 5.4
Mash Steps Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Heat Add 37.00 L of water and heat to 64.0 C over 20 min 64.0 C 20 min
Mash Add 0.00 L of water at 64.0 C 64.0 C 90 min
Heat Heat to 77.0 C over 10 min 77.0 C 10 min
Mash Out Add 0.00 L of water at 77.0 C 77.0 C 10 min
Heat Heat to 100.0 C over 15 min 100.0 C 15 min
Boil Heat to 100.0 C over 1 min 100.0 C 90 min
I can't figure out why the tun temp is at -17, but there you go. Hope this helps some what.
When putting your figures into beersmith you need to put in the total amount of water. So for me that is 37 litres ( to end up with 27 litres at the end of boil). To do this it would be easiest to set up a new mash profile where you can put the figures in yourself. Obviously all the other additions, mashout, sparge etc. would be non-existent or set at zero.
Below is a basic view of how I've set a BIAB profile into Beersmith;
Grain Weight Basis: 5.00 kg
Grain Temperature: 22.2 C
Tun Temperature: -17.8
Batch Sparge: No
Batch Sparge Percent: 0.00
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C
PH: 5.4
Mash Steps Name Description Step Temp Step Time
Heat Add 37.00 L of water and heat to 64.0 C over 20 min 64.0 C 20 min
Mash Add 0.00 L of water at 64.0 C 64.0 C 90 min
Heat Heat to 77.0 C over 10 min 77.0 C 10 min
Mash Out Add 0.00 L of water at 77.0 C 77.0 C 10 min
Heat Heat to 100.0 C over 15 min 100.0 C 15 min
Boil Heat to 100.0 C over 1 min 100.0 C 90 min
I can't figure out why the tun temp is at -17, but there you go. Hope this helps some what.
"It's beer Jim, but not as we know it."
Post #4 made 15 years ago
Thats pretty scary, I just finished my 1st BIAB on Sat. Your grain bill is nearly identical to mine, just the percentages are a little different mashed at 65C and I just used cascade all the way through, also NC with the last hop addition into the cube. fermenter sitting on 19C @ 1.016 - going to be awesome
Post #5 made 15 years ago
Welcome to the forum matr,
You have asked a very valid but very hard to answer question. When hashie says, "I'm not quite sure I understand what you are asking," he is exactly right. When it comes to recipe conversions and software set-ups, there are no clearly written definitions so no brewer really knows what another is asking. This is a major fault of the online brewing community as a whole and brewing software reflects this. (At least one software company is interested in correcting this, so things are looking up.)
For now, I think you, and any new all-grain brewer, should study and use The Calculator. It is just a spreadsheet so it might not look great but studying it for less than ten minutes will teach you a lot. Every aspect of the mashing and boiling process is there as well as the formulas. All brewing software requires you to, 'fiddle,' about to some extent. The Calculator enables you to do this without closing and opening screens to see and be sure of the result. It requires no more fiddling thany any other software.
There is a thread here on BIABrewer.info dedicated to detailed recipe conversion. I will move it to the, "BIABrewer.info and BIAB for New Members," forum as it is a little hard to find for new AG brewers. You can find the thread here.
I would suggest posting your recipe to that thread. Best to learn brewing before learning brewing software - they are two different ball games
.
Pat
You have asked a very valid but very hard to answer question. When hashie says, "I'm not quite sure I understand what you are asking," he is exactly right. When it comes to recipe conversions and software set-ups, there are no clearly written definitions so no brewer really knows what another is asking. This is a major fault of the online brewing community as a whole and brewing software reflects this. (At least one software company is interested in correcting this, so things are looking up.)
For now, I think you, and any new all-grain brewer, should study and use The Calculator. It is just a spreadsheet so it might not look great but studying it for less than ten minutes will teach you a lot. Every aspect of the mashing and boiling process is there as well as the formulas. All brewing software requires you to, 'fiddle,' about to some extent. The Calculator enables you to do this without closing and opening screens to see and be sure of the result. It requires no more fiddling thany any other software.
There is a thread here on BIABrewer.info dedicated to detailed recipe conversion. I will move it to the, "BIABrewer.info and BIAB for New Members," forum as it is a little hard to find for new AG brewers. You can find the thread here.
I would suggest posting your recipe to that thread. Best to learn brewing before learning brewing software - they are two different ball games
. Pat
Last edited by Pat on 28 Oct 2010, 21:43, edited 5 times in total.
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Post #6 made 15 years ago
Thanks for the responses guys.
Pat I have been using Beersmith for a couple of years now for extract & partials so I know my way around it for that. Just need to work out volumes and mash profiles for BIAB.
I have had a look at the Calculator and ran my figures through it. Total volume came out about 150ml different from Beersmith so what I have done is correct. I want to stick with Beersmith as I have quite a few recipes already stored on there.
Cheers, Mat.
Pat I have been using Beersmith for a couple of years now for extract & partials so I know my way around it for that. Just need to work out volumes and mash profiles for BIAB.
I have had a look at the Calculator and ran my figures through it. Total volume came out about 150ml different from Beersmith so what I have done is correct. I want to stick with Beersmith as I have quite a few recipes already stored on there.
Cheers, Mat.
Post #7 made 15 years ago
Sorry Mat, I didn't realise you already knew Beersmith so ignore my last post . It is of course an excellent program and Brad works really hard at always improving it and his website. Nice to see you have got the figures matching so well. Looking forward to hearing how your first BIAB goes...
Pat
. It is of course an excellent program and Brad works really hard at always improving it and his website. Nice to see you have got the figures matching so well. Looking forward to hearing how your first BIAB goes... Pat
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