Hi everyone! And thanks for having me on the forum! After boggling my mind trying to suss out BIAB I'm praying that you guys can help me and/or guide me in the right direction.
I'm new to brewing, got my first FV this January and have three extract tins under my belt. Really enjoying it and and want to move into all grain and I think BIAB is the way forward for me. I want to make smaller batches in order to practice AG and find and learn the flavour I want etc.
So I've basically ordered a 19 litre pot online, I'm unsure of the dimensions as it hasn't arrived yet but should be here this week. I haven't bought a grain bag yet but I can easily get one online or from local brew store.
So to let you understand what I'm looking for ---
1: I want to do a Smash recipe to keep it simple for my first BIAB.
2: I'm not bothered what hop I use I just want at least one brew under my belt before I worry about that.
3: I think I know the process...heat strike water to temp, put grain in bag and mash for one hour, remove bag and squeeze contents back into pot (kettle), boil the wort, add hops, put wort into FV etc etc.
4: What I'm really struggling with is the specifics - How much water/grain do I use to fit my 19 litre pot. I have found the volume and grains bill calculator but I don't fully understand it. As I don't have my pot dimensions yet I estimated it to be 27cm diameter, my OG I had to guess, and for a 10 litre "brew length" it recommends 2857g of grain, and 18.07 litres water required and total volume will be 19.96 litres. Which obviously wouldn't fit my pot.... Do I adjust the figures to fit my pot? And how do I know what my OG should be. I'm not experienced enough for that?
5: How do I know what temp to keep my mash at?
6: I'm also unsure how much hops to add and at one point to I add them to the boil. There are lots of other posts on different forums saying I would need to add water to the FV or kettle at different stages and it's just blowing my mind. I just wanted a simple smash recipe that can fit my pot.
7: I have a 25 litre FV...please let me know what else you need.
And finally, thanks so much for helping in advance. I really want to do AG but I've been intimidated by all the confusing information and different ways on doing things. Thanks.
Kyle
Post #2 made 9 years ago
Kyle - Enthusiasm is wonderful,but read some more around this site before buying more stuff and starting your brew day. Your 19 L kettle will work for small batches for now. If your LHBS sells BIAB bags with a thread count of ~35 per cm, good on them, but many will sell paint strainer bags with larger gaps among threads and they will disappoint. After you read more, I'm sure you will mash for 90 minutes and know why - and try out the BIABacus for the SMASH Amarillo recipe found in the recipe section on this site. Then post your customized file for feedback. Good beer will result eventually.
Post #3 made 9 years ago
Hi shore, thanks for posting a reply. I've had a look at the BIABacus but it's waaaay past my knowledge level just yet. I've posted on a few forums and don't seem to be getting the answer that I'm looking for which leads me to believe that it can't actually be done.
I was hoping to go into the LHBS buy some grains, buy some hops then go for it. I was just looking for some guidance on the volume of water that should be used Against how much grain. And what the temp should be. I've been told that 1.25 Quartz per lb of grain. Is this right enough? The BIABacus is too much for me the now. I don't understand the terms used yet.
I was hoping to go into the LHBS buy some grains, buy some hops then go for it. I was just looking for some guidance on the volume of water that should be used Against how much grain. And what the temp should be. I've been told that 1.25 Quartz per lb of grain. Is this right enough? The BIABacus is too much for me the now. I don't understand the terms used yet.
Post #4 made 9 years ago
Hey Kyle,
ShorePoints has it right... Nobody would recommend a tiny 19 liter / 5 gallon pot for BIAB unless you are doing mini BIAB with tiny batches. Mine is 3 times that size and am very happy for it. Normally do 5 gallon finished batch sizes. Could do with as small as a 10 gallon pot for 5 gallon batches - just barely but I would go larger and am happy for my 15 gallon pot. There are valid reasons to choose small pots for small batch sizes but I wonder if you may have made a mistake. If so, now is the best time to fix it, before you really get going...
Assuming you wanted to do larger batch sizes, can you return or exchange your pot for something way larger...? Got to put first things first... Don't want to "shoot" until you are certain what your target is. We can help you with all of the later more trivial details later (ingredients, etc.) as they are easy to calculate later. Can't figure out any of the remainder until you have pot size and dimensions... But can't choose pot size unless you know desired batch size.
Terminology Link: http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2685
If things are a little confusing, it's okay...we've all been there before too. Take a deep breath, relax, and take it one step at a time.
ShorePoints has it right... Nobody would recommend a tiny 19 liter / 5 gallon pot for BIAB unless you are doing mini BIAB with tiny batches. Mine is 3 times that size and am very happy for it. Normally do 5 gallon finished batch sizes. Could do with as small as a 10 gallon pot for 5 gallon batches - just barely but I would go larger and am happy for my 15 gallon pot. There are valid reasons to choose small pots for small batch sizes but I wonder if you may have made a mistake. If so, now is the best time to fix it, before you really get going...
Assuming you wanted to do larger batch sizes, can you return or exchange your pot for something way larger...? Got to put first things first... Don't want to "shoot" until you are certain what your target is. We can help you with all of the later more trivial details later (ingredients, etc.) as they are easy to calculate later. Can't figure out any of the remainder until you have pot size and dimensions... But can't choose pot size unless you know desired batch size.
Terminology Link: http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2685
If things are a little confusing, it's okay...we've all been there before too. Take a deep breath, relax, and take it one step at a time.
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Post #5 made 9 years ago
Hi guys,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'll stick with my 19ltr pot the now as I want to stick to smaller batches. I'm struggling with the interpretation of the recipes and how to use the calculator and BIABacus. I'll stick with trying to learn this first and see if I can figure it out. Really appreciate your help.
Kyle
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'll stick with my 19ltr pot the now as I want to stick to smaller batches. I'm struggling with the interpretation of the recipes and how to use the calculator and BIABacus. I'll stick with trying to learn this first and see if I can figure it out. Really appreciate your help.
Kyle
Post #6 made 9 years ago
kyle wrote:Hi guys,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'll stick with my 19ltr pot the now as I want to stick to smaller batches. I'm struggling with the interpretation of the recipes and how to use the calculator and BIABacus. I'll stick with trying to learn this first and see if I can figure it out. Really appreciate your help.
Kyle
We all struggle with interpreting recipes, in fact ... the BIABacus was designed to remove all of the ambiguity that you are obviously finding in recipes.
Have a look into this thread to help sort you through the mess ... http://biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 31cca39aab
The BIABacus can look pretty tough in the beginning, but it's really not that bad. It can be kept very simple in the beginning.
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Post #7 made 9 years ago
Kyle, From what you Wrote your out of America, so this may not Help.
In America the Standard Bottle size is 12oz, and there are 24 bottles per case.
That totals 2.34 gallon /8.9 liter.
Attached is the American Pale Ale - NRB-All Amarillo APA a simple SMaSH recipe that will fill 26 Bottles, and has a boil length of 75 minutes.
Good Luck.
In America the Standard Bottle size is 12oz, and there are 24 bottles per case.
That totals 2.34 gallon /8.9 liter.
Attached is the American Pale Ale - NRB-All Amarillo APA a simple SMaSH recipe that will fill 26 Bottles, and has a boil length of 75 minutes.
Good Luck.
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Post #8 made 9 years ago
Kyle, This is a guide I wrote a few years back.
It may just help get your head around the process and terminology?
It may just help get your head around the process and terminology?
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Post #9 made 9 years ago
Thanks for all your help guys. I have been able to figure out the basics of the BIABacus with the help of another user. So everything is much appreciated. It has at least gave me a step for a hint on where to start.
Mally I appreciate the guide. I'll have a look at that. So much to learn but it's interesting when it's fun eh!
Mally I appreciate the guide. I'll have a look at that. So much to learn but it's interesting when it's fun eh!
Post #10 made 9 years ago
kyle, when your pot arrives let us know the dimensions.
Also, what sort of beers do you like?
That info will give us enough info to give you a recipe to start with.
Your post above tells me that the BIABacus is a bit more familiar to you now - that's excellent and will serve you well. Hopefully, your friend (other user) has shown you how it can answer most of your original questions.
Your biggest issue (decisions) will be due to the fact that your kettle is much smaller than your fermenter will handle (as mentioned above). This, unfortunately, means you'll have to study some concepts that many brewers are not aware of so as you can make the right decisions. In other words, if your kettle is big enough to handle your fermenter, everything is pretty simple but, in your case, you'll need to study this for, possibly, several hours.
We can come up with a sensible approach for your first brews though so concentrate on answering the first two questions of this post.
PP
Also, what sort of beers do you like?
That info will give us enough info to give you a recipe to start with.
Your post above tells me that the BIABacus is a bit more familiar to you now - that's excellent and will serve you well. Hopefully, your friend (other user) has shown you how it can answer most of your original questions.
Your biggest issue (decisions) will be due to the fact that your kettle is much smaller than your fermenter will handle (as mentioned above). This, unfortunately, means you'll have to study some concepts that many brewers are not aware of so as you can make the right decisions. In other words, if your kettle is big enough to handle your fermenter, everything is pretty simple but, in your case, you'll need to study this for, possibly, several hours.
We can come up with a sensible approach for your first brews though so concentrate on answering the first two questions of this post.
PP
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Post #11 made 9 years ago
You and me both. My pots 25 litre and agree the biabicus is quite a bit daunting. I am hoping once I put my pot dimentions in and the other pot info it might be a little clearer but it is hard work on a small laptop lol. There are some good videos on youtube about biab brewing. Someone on here said keep it simple so look, read and decide what process you feel comfortable with. Goodluck
Post #12 made 9 years ago
One step at a time... The BIABacus looked a little daunting for me at the start. But jump in, one step at a time... Review the BIAB Terminology (links to this have been given). Trhen try to understand one section at a time starting with the most important sections (the earliest ones). All are important... Won't take long to understand it and you will be very happy for spending the little bit of time to get it.
Post #13 made 9 years ago
Cheers Pistol!PistolPatch wrote:kyle, when your pot arrives let us know the dimensions.
Also, what sort of beers do you like?
That info will give us enough info to give you a recipe to start with.
Your post above tells me that the BIABacus is a bit more familiar to you now - that's excellent and will serve you well. Hopefully, your friend (other user) has shown you how it can answer most of your original questions.
Your biggest issue (decisions) will be due to the fact that your kettle is much smaller than your fermenter will handle (as mentioned above). This, unfortunately, means you'll have to study some concepts that many brewers are not aware of so as you can make the right decisions. In other words, if your kettle is big enough to handle your fermenter, everything is pretty simple but, in your case, you'll need to study this for, possibly, several hours.
We can come up with a sensible approach for your first brews though so concentrate on answering the first two questions of this post.
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PP
I read the post you have the link to. Again made things much more clearer and when my pot arrives which should be today I'll add the dimensions in and follow the post through again. I'll also post the dimension for your info.
I like strong hoppy beers, and blonde beers. Other than that I'm happy to expand my palate experiment a little.
Thanks. Kyle
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Post #14 made 9 years ago
Woohoo it's arrived! Dimensions are
Kettle height - 26.5cm
Kettle diameter - 30.5cm
The volume he BIABacus tells me is 19.4L
Kettle height - 26.5cm
Kettle diameter - 30.5cm
The volume he BIABacus tells me is 19.4L
Post #15 made 9 years ago
Kyle,
Attached is an Updated BIABACUS for the SMaSH simple recipe, That has your Kettle Dimensions.
Good Luck with your Brew day
Attached is an Updated BIABACUS for the SMaSH simple recipe, That has your Kettle Dimensions.
Good Luck with your Brew day

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Post #16 made 9 years ago
Hi there,
Joshua, thanks for sending that. As I said my pot arrived this morning and I've got my exact dimensions now.
Pistol, I have read through the link you sent me previously and followed the post through entirely while putting in my own reading and writing them down. This is what I got
Kettle Height - 26.5cm
Kettle Diameter - 30.5cm
Volume - 19.4
Basic VIF - 8ltr
Basic VIP - 7.4ltr
Starting Sparge Volume 2.88ltr
So from that information I had a go at the BIABacus myself. I think i got on ok. It gives me a warning in relation VIB being close to kettle limit, however its still two litres away...id probably take the risk as its my first brew. If disaster strikes ill take the warning next time.
Also Section W is giving me a warning telling me to decrease my sparge volume and i can't seem to figure out why. Any suggestions?
Ive attached the BIABacus for your info.
Cheers
Joshua, thanks for sending that. As I said my pot arrived this morning and I've got my exact dimensions now.
Pistol, I have read through the link you sent me previously and followed the post through entirely while putting in my own reading and writing them down. This is what I got
Kettle Height - 26.5cm
Kettle Diameter - 30.5cm
Volume - 19.4
Basic VIF - 8ltr
Basic VIP - 7.4ltr
Starting Sparge Volume 2.88ltr
So from that information I had a go at the BIABacus myself. I think i got on ok. It gives me a warning in relation VIB being close to kettle limit, however its still two litres away...id probably take the risk as its my first brew. If disaster strikes ill take the warning next time.
Also Section W is giving me a warning telling me to decrease my sparge volume and i can't seem to figure out why. Any suggestions?
Ive attached the BIABacus for your info.
Cheers
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Post #17 made 9 years ago
Kyle, FYI with trying to open your file and take a look it gives an error message saying your "file is corrupt and cannot be opened."
Post #18 made 9 years ago
Kyle, you did not set the IBU number, but it looks like you wanted 37IBU.
If you need to change it, let us Know.
Also, if you move the 2.88 liter "water used in a Sparge" to "water added During the boil" the Error messages will disappear.
You cab also lower the 2.88L to 2.0L in that field, and get a better beer
JMHO.
Scott, the .ods file opens fine in LibreOffice.
If you need to change it, let us Know.
Also, if you move the 2.88 liter "water used in a Sparge" to "water added During the boil" the Error messages will disappear.
You cab also lower the 2.88L to 2.0L in that field, and get a better beer
JMHO.
Scott, the .ods file opens fine in LibreOffice.
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Post #19 made 9 years ago
Hoover then Kyle...
Hoover: Yep, the bigger the screen, the easier it is to understand/appreciate the BIABacus. Most programs, even though not as flexible or powerful, split things over several screens. Whilst this makes it easier on a first glance, it also prevents you from seeing the dynamics and inter-relationships of how changing one aspect of the brew affects another. I can't offer you much advice on how to deal with the BIABacus on a small screen apart from what Scott said. While you miss out on seeing the inter-relationships easily, the A to Z approach has a very real logical order to it. The blank BIABacus actually throws up a line at the start telling you which sections to concentrate on first.
Kyle: Firstly, thanks for reading and studying the links above
. It's always the best of signs when someone follows through on advice, and, some of those links were quite hard. Top job
.
Okay, your file....
First rule of the BIABacus is, no matter what program you are using, you must always save it as an .xls file
. As soon as you save it as anything else, such as an .ods, things start to go wrong. For example, I can't even open your file in Excel. You'll only make that error once though
- because, it basically means you have to input everything again
.
I normally have LibreOffice on my PC but did a reload recently and haven't got it on atm. Regardless, always, always, always save your BIABacus file as .xls and never, never, never, as anything else!
...
One question I can answer before I see your .xls file is, "Section W is giving me a warning telling me to decrease my sparge volume and I can't seem to figure out why. Any suggestions?"
Actually, I will need to see your file to double-check, but, even in BIABacus PR1.3T, I'm pretty sure it throws that warning if the BIABacus can see that you could have "full-volume brewed".
Apologies on behalf of the BIABacus team re the .ods. A warning is in there somewhere but it's impossible to make the appropriate warning stand out for each individual user.
...
Also just want to clear up another possible area of confusion. joshua above uploaded a SMASH recipe, twice, with the same name as an example recipe used in the main pre-release BIABacus thread. Unfortunately, he has used pretty much exactly the same file name whereas the original recipe has three malts - not one.
Maybe a Mod should clean that up?
Hoover: Yep, the bigger the screen, the easier it is to understand/appreciate the BIABacus. Most programs, even though not as flexible or powerful, split things over several screens. Whilst this makes it easier on a first glance, it also prevents you from seeing the dynamics and inter-relationships of how changing one aspect of the brew affects another. I can't offer you much advice on how to deal with the BIABacus on a small screen apart from what Scott said. While you miss out on seeing the inter-relationships easily, the A to Z approach has a very real logical order to it. The blank BIABacus actually throws up a line at the start telling you which sections to concentrate on first.
Kyle: Firstly, thanks for reading and studying the links above
Okay, your file....
First rule of the BIABacus is, no matter what program you are using, you must always save it as an .xls file
I normally have LibreOffice on my PC but did a reload recently and haven't got it on atm. Regardless, always, always, always save your BIABacus file as .xls and never, never, never, as anything else!
...
One question I can answer before I see your .xls file is, "Section W is giving me a warning telling me to decrease my sparge volume and I can't seem to figure out why. Any suggestions?"
Actually, I will need to see your file to double-check, but, even in BIABacus PR1.3T, I'm pretty sure it throws that warning if the BIABacus can see that you could have "full-volume brewed".
Apologies on behalf of the BIABacus team re the .ods. A warning is in there somewhere but it's impossible to make the appropriate warning stand out for each individual user.
...
Also just want to clear up another possible area of confusion. joshua above uploaded a SMASH recipe, twice, with the same name as an example recipe used in the main pre-release BIABacus thread. Unfortunately, he has used pretty much exactly the same file name whereas the original recipe has three malts - not one.
Maybe a Mod should clean that up?
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Post #20 made 9 years ago
I have a noob question:
Joshua you stated "You can also lower the 2.88L to 2.0L in that field, and get a better beer"
Is this due to changing the "Liquor to grain ratio"?
Joshua you stated "You can also lower the 2.88L to 2.0L in that field, and get a better beer"
Is this due to changing the "Liquor to grain ratio"?
Post #21 made 9 years ago
Not a noob question at all Evan. You've asked joshua so I'll leave it to him. His answer should include two specific links which will set you right
.
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Post #22 made 9 years ago
Evanspa,
What I meant was moving the "Sparge" water to "water added during the Boil", would prevent the Kettle from having too much Sweet liquor at the Start of boil.
Also, I meant lowering the 2.88L to 2.0L, would allow the Boiled Off wort, to have a higher S.G., after 90 minutes boil.
Many 1st time Brewers have a problem with Too Much Wort at the end of the 90 minutes, and having lower S.G than BIABACUS projected.
You CAN add some Good Water to a Higher Gravity S.G. in the Fermenter, to get the proper VIF.
What I meant was moving the "Sparge" water to "water added during the Boil", would prevent the Kettle from having too much Sweet liquor at the Start of boil.
Also, I meant lowering the 2.88L to 2.0L, would allow the Boiled Off wort, to have a higher S.G., after 90 minutes boil.
Many 1st time Brewers have a problem with Too Much Wort at the end of the 90 minutes, and having lower S.G than BIABACUS projected.
You CAN add some Good Water to a Higher Gravity S.G. in the Fermenter, to get the proper VIF.
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Post #23 made 9 years ago
Okay, Wouldn't lowering the "Water added to boil" by .88 increase the SWN and in turn increase the Volume into boil. Increased water would dilute the SG? Sorry if I seem a little slow.
On my last brew I did end up with too much wort volume into boil and had to increase boil to 120min. I just thought maybe I squeezed too much out of the bag.
Are you saying by holding the water until after the boil, you don't necessarily need to add the entire 2L? just enough to hit the volume and OG #'s
On my last brew I did end up with too much wort volume into boil and had to increase boil to 120min. I just thought maybe I squeezed too much out of the bag.
Are you saying by holding the water until after the boil, you don't necessarily need to add the entire 2L? just enough to hit the volume and OG #'s
Post #24 made 9 years ago
Evanspa,
Yep, BIABACUS does that.
The difference between SWN and VIB is about 6.0%.
I also Squeeze the %$#& out of the Bag, and many times end up with more Sweet Liquor than the SWN, Because of the Conversion Of Solid starch to Dissolved Sugar.
Where I live, I need to cut the SWN/TWN, so I do not need to Boil for 100-120 minute to get My VAW, and GAW.
What we all need to do, after 5 or 6 batches, is adjust all those Numbers in Section 'X' of BIABACUS, to Dial in our brew methods.
Yep, BIABACUS does that.
The difference between SWN and VIB is about 6.0%.
I also Squeeze the %$#& out of the Bag, and many times end up with more Sweet Liquor than the SWN, Because of the Conversion Of Solid starch to Dissolved Sugar.
Where I live, I need to cut the SWN/TWN, so I do not need to Boil for 100-120 minute to get My VAW, and GAW.
What we all need to do, after 5 or 6 batches, is adjust all those Numbers in Section 'X' of BIABACUS, to Dial in our brew methods.
Honest Officer, I swear to Drunk, I am Not God.
Post #25 made 9 years ago
Brilliant! Some great advice again there chaps.
Pistol, I did wonder what to save it as. I was using libre office in my Mac as my pc is kaput atm and I can't remember exactly what happened but it gave me about ten different options to save it as. One of them was .xls and I'm sure I clicked that but I don't have excel in my Mac and I don't think it allowed me to save it as that. I'll try again and defo keep it in mind.
I'll redo it later on when I'm home and hopefully you can see it ok. Thanks for the quick reply.
Pistol, I did wonder what to save it as. I was using libre office in my Mac as my pc is kaput atm and I can't remember exactly what happened but it gave me about ten different options to save it as. One of them was .xls and I'm sure I clicked that but I don't have excel in my Mac and I don't think it allowed me to save it as that. I'll try again and defo keep it in mind.
I'll redo it later on when I'm home and hopefully you can see it ok. Thanks for the quick reply.