Mash and boil on separate days?

Post #1 made 16 years ago
My brewing time has recently become seriously restricted due to the arrival of a new baby (why isn't there a 'sleep-deprived' smiley?). It's very unlikely that I'm going to have half a day spare to do a brew for many months :( . However, I should be able to steal a couple of hours here and there. Sooooo...I was wondering if it is OK to mash one day and then do the boil a day or two later? Obviously that's less efficient as I'll have to re-heat the sweet liquor, but other than that I can't see any problems with that idea. Am I missing something that might suggest otherwise?

Post #2 made 16 years ago
It isn't ideal Aaron, if the wort remains unboiled there is definite bacterial growth which will sour the wort, and the enzymes continue to work which results in hyper- attenuated beer. If you can boil it briefly then it would be far better, that will sanitise the wort and kettle to some extent but also denature the enzymes, but leave a lid on it until part two, but don't leave it too long.
Overnight mashing is one possibility, again, same set of problems faced as above but certainly has been done by many before, including myself.

Good luck with the bairn, congratulations to you both! :P
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Post #4 made 16 years ago
OK. If I give the wort a quick boil (5 min?) and then cover with foil and put the lid on it should be OK for a day or two? If I no-chill it in a cube instead would that be better?
Can you tell me a bit more about overnight mashing. How's it done?. Advantages (if any), disadvantages (besides those already mentioned).

Post #5 made 16 years ago
My understanding of overnight mashing is;

To have a really well insulated mash tun (kettle for BIAB)

Bring your strike water up to temp.

Add grains and stir.

Put the lid on and insulate the whole thing.

Go to bed.

In the morning, lift your bag (BIAB not ball)and fire up the burner to get your boil under way.
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Post #6 made 16 years ago
Overnight mashing can be problematic as it can lead to changes in the amount of fermentable sugars in the wort. With a normal mash, we are targeting a mash temp of around 67 degrees for 90 minutes, which will give a certain amount of starches not converted to simple sugars in that amount of time, which gives the beer body.

If we leave it mashing too long, this ratio will be affected, and the beer can be too thin. This is because the enzymes present will continue to work far longer than they should with a 90 minute mash, and they are not being denatured (switched off effectively) by the temperature being raised to above 80 degrees.

I understand the need to brew at various times in spurts, and have been doing it for a while with 3 little ones, study and work all being factors.

What I think is the best practice if you have to split up your brew day is as follows;

Mash your grain and give a mashout, then get the wort boiling. This denatures any enzymes, which will stop starches being converted to simple sugars, preserving the 'body' of your beer. It only just needs to reach boiling.

Then I would insulate the vessel with doonahs and blankets, the more the merrier, to help keep the temperature as high as possible for as long as possible. This is to stave off infection.

At the earliest opportunity, get it back on the boil and proceed as normal, with hop additions, then cube.

Some days I get mine to the boil, then have to leave it while I go to work, so it is only left for about 9 hours, so it is ok in the urn as above. But where it needs to be left longer, maybe a day or so, I cube the wort when it is boiling into a couple of cubes and leave it till I get a chance to boil it again. I have done this many times without an issue.

It is not ideal, but if it means the difference between brewing or not brewing, especially with little ones around, then so be it.

cheers,

Matt

Post #7 made 16 years ago
Thanks crundle. I only just read your post today, but your method is pretty much exactly what I did yesterday for my first BIAB. Got up early before the kids and wife woke up and mashed with a quick boil at the end. Did the full boil in the evening after kids had gone to bed. About 12 hours in between. No-chilled in kettle last night, transferred to fermenter and pitched yeast this morning. Fingers crossed!
BTW, what's the longest time you've kept your par-boiled wort in a cube?

Post #8 made 16 years ago
Longest I have kept pre hopped wort in the cube is 2 days personally, but in theory you can keep it in there for pretty much as long as you want. It is sterile in the cube, and it should be kept out of the sun.

I have heard of cubes of no chilled wort (hopped) being kept up to a year after being brewed with no ill effects on AHB, so it should be the same for unhopped.

As for my own cubing experiences, I have kept cubes for up to a month before using while I was waiting for a fermenter to free up.

Matt

Post #9 made 15 years ago
Aaron, good question. I have been wondering the same thing. Thanks for all the answers on how you can split the process up.

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