Understanding calculator scaled volumes

Post #1 made 13 years ago
Hi all,

Getting close to my first BIAB! Ingredients - check, boiler acquired - check, hop filter made - check, read dozens of online articles - check, fitted a shiny new glass shower screen - check.

OK, that last one might not be part of your brewing process. But in doing this I have earned brownie points. And those brownie points shall be spent getting my SO to stitch a grain bag. QED. :peace:

So I think I understand the principle that most AG recipes are incomplete in regards to liquor volumes, and I think I understand how The Calculator is working.

I've made a simple recipe in software (Beer Engine), which tells me my 19L "volume" @ 1.047 has about 28L total liquor.

I've entered this recipe in The Calculator, tweaked the brew length downwards until grain bill matches the original recipe, entered this number into the original recipe end-of-boil volume cell, and then reset the brew length to 19L.

Hopefully I've done this right! :think:

The scaled grain bill is now a good 20% bigger (4kg up to 4.9kg). So an extra kilo of grain to produce the same result that the software promised me in the first place?

I'm not sure I fundamentally understand why this is. Is it simply because the recipe software completely cacks up the liquor volume (28L vs 32L in the spreadsheet)? Or is there more to it?
Last edited by jemnery on 06 Oct 2012, 02:38, edited 2 times in total.

Post #2 made 13 years ago
A lot of other software considers the brew length to be what you end up with after the boil or whatever they feel like. Often times this number is ambiguous between if that is at room temperature or still boiling which makes a difference in volume. The calculator here tries to be less ambiguous and give you more control of other volumes such as trub and ferment to packaging losses etc... So often times a 5 gal recipe end up with no where near 5 gal of beer into bottles and such is the dire case of inconsistent software, kits, and terminology. You're probably seeing the difference because a brew length of BIAB software has a more rigorous definition allowing more control over your whole process. Once you get your average numbers down such as your efficiency into kettle and end of boil efficiency, evaporation rate, and trub loss you can very precisely control your bottling volume rather than it being a boil till you hit what you want sort of game. I'm sure someone else(senior member correct me if I'm wrong here) has a better explanation but hopefully this helped. Also BIAB assumes a 90 minute boil so the liquor volume will be a bit higher than a 60 minute boil to account for 1.5x more boil off.

Post #3 made 13 years ago
Good Day Jemnery, Some of us check the volume of our kettles and make a "stick" to measure the Volume of the Boil.

By ending the boil at the time the "final Volume" is reached, is better than trying to time it!

Take a look at a on-going topic about "Evaporation rates: How important are they to you." at http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php ... 22&p=23291 and "Measuring water volme in your boiler?" at http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1231.

I hope this can make your brewing Easier!
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Post #4 made 13 years ago
Thanks chaps, that's really helpful. I guess I'm not a million miles away, as I've already added a tab to the calculator which does pretty much what's discussed in those threads. I can measure down from the rim to the surface of the liquid, enter this number and it'll tell me the volume (or it will tell me the distance given a target volume).
By ending the boil at the time the "final Volume" is reached, is better than trying to time it!
Aha, thanks... that makes sense and I hadn't thought of it that way.
Last edited by jemnery on 06 Oct 2012, 14:31, edited 2 times in total.
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