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Post #27 made 15 years ago
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) can act as excellent filters if you have a kettle tap with an appropriate pre-filter. If I had this type of set-up, I would probably always use flower hops and whirlpool.
You have a syphon and from the other threads we have been talking in, you intend to clean and sanitise your BIAB bag and then use it as a filter after your kettle. Brickbrewhaus and I have been trying to convince you otherwise but we are not doing a good enough job - lol!
So...
You can add flowers to the bag and then filter your wort from the kettle through this, 'hopback' into your fermenter. It will give much better filtration and I doubt that it would clog if you have enough hops in there. This hopback will add flavour and aroma but to what degree is something that is hard to quantify and depends on a myriad of things - the recipe for one. A hopback is one of many tools that a quality commercial brewer will manipulate and use to varying degrees depending on what hop varieties he has on hand (and their age) to replicate the same quality beer he has been brewing for the last x years/months.
So, just chill out and keep it simple - at least for now
Remember, it shouldn't be hard to get quality wort from a settled kettle or cube. You might get 5% more wort from mucking around with filtration but is it worth it???
PP
Flower hops (hopefully freshsoupdragon wrote:Someone suggested putting some fresh hops in the voile would help with the filtration, would I get much in the way of aroma or flavour from them?
) can act as excellent filters if you have a kettle tap with an appropriate pre-filter. If I had this type of set-up, I would probably always use flower hops and whirlpool.You have a syphon and from the other threads we have been talking in, you intend to clean and sanitise your BIAB bag and then use it as a filter after your kettle. Brickbrewhaus and I have been trying to convince you otherwise but we are not doing a good enough job - lol!
So...
You can add flowers to the bag and then filter your wort from the kettle through this, 'hopback' into your fermenter. It will give much better filtration and I doubt that it would clog if you have enough hops in there. This hopback will add flavour and aroma but to what degree is something that is hard to quantify and depends on a myriad of things - the recipe for one. A hopback is one of many tools that a quality commercial brewer will manipulate and use to varying degrees depending on what hop varieties he has on hand (and their age) to replicate the same quality beer he has been brewing for the last x years/months.
So, just chill out and keep it simple - at least for now
Remember, it shouldn't be hard to get quality wort from a settled kettle or cube. You might get 5% more wort from mucking around with filtration but is it worth it???
PP
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Post #28 made 15 years ago
my first BIAB bag was made of nylon and a larger mesh than voile. It let some of the grain escape into the kettle so I stopped using it. But it did work great as a filter for the wort into the fermenter. Cannot say the same for the voile, it really didn't work as a filter. By the way it was only a handful of grains that escaped but I don't think that boiling them affected the final product.
Post #29 made 15 years ago
Well I'm about to find out how much I can pour out of my boiler without disturbing the break too much. The only syphon I have is for racking into my barrel's. I must say I've read several posts about using one to syphon out of a boiler and I'll probably do that ( again on my next brew ). I know that you must sometimes feel as if your advice is falling on deaf ears but I want to try it just the once to see how much of an improvement it is over the last ( pitiful ) attempts I've made. Sometimes I think the only way to learn is the hard way.PistolPatch wrote:The post by the Guest is good. Let's hope the Guest signs on!
Flower hops (hopefully freshsoupdragon wrote:Someone suggested putting some fresh hops in the voile would help with the filtration, would I get much in the way of aroma or flavour from them?
You have a syphon and from the other threads we have been talking in, you intend to clean and sanitise your BIAB bag and then use it as a filter after your kettle. Brickbrewhaus and I have been trying to convince you otherwise but we are not doing a good enough job - lol!
So...
You can add flowers to the bag and then filter your wort from the kettle through this, 'hopback' into your fermenter. It will give much better filtration and I doubt that it would clog if you have enough hops in there. This hopback will add flavour and aroma but to what degree is something that is hard to quantify and depends on a myriad of things - the recipe for one. A hopback is one of many tools that a quality commercial brewer will manipulate and use to varying degrees depending on what hop varieties he has on hand (and their age) to replicate the same quality beer he has been brewing for the last x years/months.
So, just chill out and keep it simple - at least for now
Remember, it shouldn't be hard to get quality wort from a settled kettle or cube. You might get 5% more wort from mucking around with filtration but is it worth it???
PP
Time to get my voile out
Cheers Tom
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Post #30 made 15 years ago
LOL Tom! You are exactly like me 
Not sure why you can't use the same syphon but, rest-assured, I am hoping all goes really well. Tip that kettle bloody slowly! A bit of trub never hurt any beer that I have tasted so don't get too worried mate.
Have enjoyed getting your progress reports tonight. Good stuff!
Not sure why you can't use the same syphon but, rest-assured, I am hoping all goes really well. Tip that kettle bloody slowly
! A bit of trub never hurt any beer that I have tasted so don't get too worried mate.Have enjoyed getting your progress reports tonight. Good stuff!
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Post #31 made 15 years ago
WeeeeeeeeelllPistolPatch wrote:LOL Tom! You are exactly like me
Not sure why you can't use the same syphon but, rest-assured, I am hoping all goes really well. Tip that kettle bloody slowly
Have enjoyed getting your progress reports tonight. Good stuff!
Now that wasn't as painfull as I was expecting. The voile did quite a good job of filtering the break. My only mistake was not having enough slack voile inside the fermenter. A bit more would have allowed me to lift the edges up to get some flow through un clogged parts. No big deal though and the amount of break that was in the voile was surprising ( as in a lot )
The wort was still a bit on the cloudy side but before tipping it was quite clear in the stockpot after boiling and cooling.
I was about 3 points down on the starting gravity when adjusted for temp. Beer engine says I should have got 1.042, actually got 1.039. So with 2kg of pale malt and 1.5kg of dried extract, what does my extraction work out to? Around the 70% mark?
Anyway, the S-04 has been pitched ( no starter ) and the brew is now under airlock. Probably leave it in there for the best part of 2 weeks while I'm working and on a break away with the missus.
Fingers crossed
Cheers Tom
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Post #32 made 15 years ago
Good work Tom, great fun this learning thing, hey?!
As discussed in the other forum, there's no real point in putting leaf hops into the filter and expecting much flavour or aroma transfer as the wort is cooled, my advice is to put the hops in the boil as a late addition. If you're adding them to the filter for a purely mechanical effect (i.e. there's none so far in the boil), then that would be OK, but their sanitation would need to be perfect, but generally this isn't an issue.
Filtering shouldn't be this problematic, so I'd toss that colander and get something that works, eg.:
As discussed in the other forum, there's no real point in putting leaf hops into the filter and expecting much flavour or aroma transfer as the wort is cooled, my advice is to put the hops in the boil as a late addition. If you're adding them to the filter for a purely mechanical effect (i.e. there's none so far in the boil), then that would be OK, but their sanitation would need to be perfect, but generally this isn't an issue.
Filtering shouldn't be this problematic, so I'd toss that colander and get something that works, eg.:
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Post #33 made 15 years ago
I don't know I did a decoction and it was fun. I partigyled a RIS and instead of direct firing the grain bag with new grains added, I scooped out a panful of mash and boiled it then added to the mash. I did that 4 times to get to my desired mash range and pitched in the new grains then mashed for 60 minutes. Got a good wort for my Mexican Chocolate Porter....about to Mexicanize it tomorrow actually.PistolPatch wrote:Good stuff Tom!
Yes, I think decoction is something that I will never need to do, thank goodness! Sounds like a PITA
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Post #34 made 15 years ago
Sounds very technical to meTwo If By Sea wrote:I don't know I did a decoction and it was fun. I partigyled a RIS and instead of direct firing the grain bag with new grains added, I scooped out a panful of mash and boiled it then added to the mash. I did that 4 times to get to my desired mash range and pitched in the new grains then mashed for 60 minutes. Got a good wort for my Mexican Chocolate Porter....about to Mexicanize it tomorrow actually.PistolPatch wrote:Good stuff Tom!
Yes, I think decoction is something that I will never need to do, thank goodness! Sounds like a PITA
My prime concern is to find a simple method that can produce good beers with, again and again. So far my method has been rather slap dash and the results ( while drinkable ) are not what I was hoping for 
Cheers Tom
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Post #35 made 15 years ago
Not a thing complicated about it. Boil some of your mash until you lose about half the liquid volume (stir constantly), stir that back into your mash, take temperature, repeat until you hit your desired temperature. Not hard, just more work. Nothing I'd do for every beer, but if you are looking for some caramel goodness in your beer, a decent way to do it. And that decoction smells sooooo good. As I said, I did mine to bring the mash for second runnings back up into mash temperature range for the second beer with some new grains, but you could use decoction to bring your mash up to mashout temperatures too.
For me, making my beer is fun so I like to try new things and see how I can improve my process or get different results. Geeking out on beer is fun!
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Post #36 made 15 years ago
Maybe once I'm producing good beer on a regular basis I'll have a fiddle but until then I don't want to push my luck. I did think about as mash out tho, anything to improve my extraction eh?Two If By Sea wrote:Not a thing complicated about it. Boil some of your mash until you lose about half the liquid volume (stir constantly), stir that back into your mash, take temperature, repeat until you hit your desired temperature. Not hard, just more work. Nothing I'd do for every beer, but if you are looking for some caramel goodness in your beer, a decent way to do it. And that decoction smells sooooo good. As I said, I did mine to bring the mash for second runnings back up into mash temperature range for the second beer with some new grains, but you could use decoction to bring your mash up to mashout temperatures too.
For me, making my beer is fun so I like to try new things and see how I can improve my process or get different results. Geeking out on beer is fun!
Cheers Tom
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