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Post #2101 made 10 years ago
by Spinnars
Hi,

I would relay need some help to convert this recipe to my equipment.
Yesterday i got a new kettle from Bielmeier. http://www.bielmeier-hausgeraete.com/bi ... -bhg-410-1

I have only done partmash before so this is my first BIAB.

For a long time a have wanted to do a Singel hop Amarillo, and i found this one prefect for my first time! =)

My Kettle is 49 x 46 cm and has a capacity of 27 L.

Very thankful for some help! =)

OVERVIEW

Style: American Pale Ale
Name: NRB's All Amarillo American Pale Ale
Yeast: US-56 (US-05)
Fermentation Temperature: 18 C
Original Gravity: 1.058
Total IBU's: 30.8
Colour (EBC): 24.6
Efficiency at End of Boil: 81%
Mash Length (mins): 90
Boil Length (mins): 90
Your Vessel Type (Pot/Keggle/Urn): Pot
Source/Credits: Original recipe can be found here
Notes/Instructions/Comments: A very popular and robust recipe. Amounts can be varied greatly whilst still getting a great beer. For example, for a more bitter beer but still full of flavour, reverse the hop schedule below.

Volumes etc.

Your Vessel Volume (L or gal): 70 L
Your Vessel Diameter (cm or in): 45 cm
Water Required (L or gal): 41 L
Mash Temperature (C or F): 65 C
Volume at End of Boil (L or gal): 26.8 L
Volume into Fermenter (L or gal): 23 L
Brew Length (L or gal): 21.3 L
Total Grain Bill (g or oz): 6260 g

Grains - Colours - Percentages and/or Weight (g or oz)

Grain 1: Pale Ale Malt (Any type) - 3.6 EBC - 76.9% or 4,814 g
Grain 2: Munich 1 - 17.6 EBC - 15.4% or 964 g
Grain 3: CaraAmber - 94.2 EBC - 7.8% or 488 g

Hops - AA% - IBUs - Weight (g or oz) at Minutes

Hop 1: US Amarillo - 8.9AA% - 15.0 IBUs - 21.0 g at 60 min
Hop 2: US Amarillo - 8.9AA% - 11.6 IBUs - 26.8 g at 20 min
Hop 3: US Amarillo - 8.9AA% - 4.3 IBUs - 30.3 g at 5 min

Adjuncts/Minerals/Finings etc

Adjunct:
Mineral:
Finings: 1/2 tablet of Whirfloc at 5 min.

Fermentation

Safale US-05 for 10 days at 18 C
Last edited by Spinnars on 13 Apr 2015, 01:53, edited 6 times in total.

Post #2102 made 10 years ago
by joshua
Spinnars, here is an Updated version of your Recipe from another topic here. (viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1869)

Good Luck,
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check it over and if you have questions.........
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Post #2103 made 10 years ago
by paudle
Hi Guys,

I have been away awhile and looking to do another brew. I see that there is now version PR1.3T.
I think the last version I used was around PR1.3K or something. Is there anything I should be aware of that has changed since then?

Post #2105 made 10 years ago
by Seti
Hi Guys

Looking to brew my first BIAB. (SS Brewing kettle 10 gallon kettle / 37.8 litre. Fermenter 26.5 litre).

Using a recipe pack from company called Neales Brewing Supplies. There are some basic info that came with it which I have put into Biabacus and it has given TWN of 36.69. Also seems to suggest different quantities in the grain bill. I seem to recall reading 90 min hop addition is not recomended for BIAB?

Twisted Stout
40 pint/ 23 litre recipe pack contains:-
4000g Pale Ale Malt
400g Oat Malt
390g Flaked Barley
170g CaraAroma
240g Carafa Special III
70g Willamette 90 Mins
30g Willamette 5 Mins
NBS Ale Yeast

Starting Gravity Approx 1049

If anyone has any thoughts on above - v much appreciated!

Post #2106 made 10 years ago
by joshua
Seti, Could you post the BIABACUS.xls, if you have it.

90 minute hop additions of Willamette hops of 4.0%-6.0% AA, and have very good Bitterness Quality, and should be Good.

The Standard BIAB (TWN) is Around 200% of the Volume into Packaging (VIP).

So what you say, is very real.
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Post #2107 made 10 years ago
by Seti
Thanks!

.XLS enclosed (I hope).

I wrote over the Ale version, using the blank sheet I could not get a TWN figure to appear at all. This makes me think I my have left a figure somewhere in this version which is distorting this value...
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Post #2108 made 10 years ago
by joshua
Seti, The BIABACUS files look fine.
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1 question, Your post indicates a 1.049SG., The .XLS file says in section 'C' at "this recipe requires an Original gravity(OG) of:1.058

If you change the OG to 1.049 the Grain Bill is very Close to the ingredient Packs.

If you change the Please set Desired IBU'S(Tinseth) in section 'D' to 43, the Hop bile gets very Close to the Ingredient Pack.

See those changes in the attached file.
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Post #2109 made 10 years ago
by Seti
Joshua, Thanks for that - I started off using Open Office before moving to Libra, must be a typo when re-entered my data.

I will give it a go cutting back a little on water so fits in the kettle.

Very much appreciated! :thumbs:

Post #2111 made 10 years ago
by goulaigan
danbrett85 - A good start would be to download BIABacus pr1.3t, Joshua has posted a link to it a few posts up. The recipe gives you percentages for the grain bill which makes that part of filling out biabacus easy, just put the name of the malt and the percentage under Grams and ratios in section C.

The BIABacus would then tell you how much grain to use on the right side of section C, for whatever Volume into fermentor you put in at the top, however I don't see an OG listed anywhere. This is what the spreadsheet uses to calculate the 'Amounts you will use'

For hops (section D) put in the name, given AA%, mins, and amounts, I don't see an IBU listed either, which is one way it can calculate what you will use on the right hand side of that section. The other way would be if you knew the original volume of ambient wort. Since it gives you neither, and you said you aren't trying to necessarily clone the recipe, you will have to guess... I would just put in an IBU that seems appropriate for the style, and same for the OG...

Edit: Just saw the OG and IBU on the side, sorry... So you should be able to get fairly close... Try and fill out the BIABacus as best you can and post it up here if you like and we can check it over... :peace:
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Post #2112 made 10 years ago
by MetalDan
It's been a while since I brewed and I also just updated to a 40L crown urn, so was hoping for some confirmation the attached recipe looks right

I'm using the recipe attached as a base (I attached it as a screenshot as anyone not an AHB member won't be able to see it from the URL), my BIABicus is also attached.

I'll be no chilling into a 20L cube, so will be doing the 15 min additions as cube hops (0 mins). Any feedback/comments would be appreciated cheers.
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Post #2113 made 10 years ago
by goulaigan
Looks good to me MetalDan.

One thing you might consider is entering the 10 or 15 minute additions as such in Biabacus, as they may better reflect the actual IBUs you will gain from them that way. If entered as 0 minute additions the Biabacus does not calculate an IBU addition from them, although they will contribute IBUs if added when the wort is over 80C.

Only other thing is the default adjustments you have made, if you have made these as per what others get with that same urn you are probably fine, otherwise it usually isn't recommended to change the default values on the first few brews with BIABacus.

Oh and one last thing, if you can, mash for 90 mins, you will generally achieve better efficiency all around when you do, and there is really no downside other than a little extra time. If possible also do a mashout at 76-78C. A 90 minute boil is also recommended but you may find if you change that one you may be approaching the limits of your kettle...

Good luck, let us know how it turns out! :thumbs:
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Post #2114 made 10 years ago
by MetalDan
Thanks for the tips Gouliagan. I was a bit confused as the orig recipe was chilled and I no chilled, so you'r right it doesn't matter what the orig recipe is so I plugged in my cube hops as 15 mins.

I also did a 90 min boil and got 70% efficiency so happy with that for the first brew! The only issue I had is that my brew ended up as 19L of 1059, rather than 20l of 1056, I guess I lost more to evaporation or something else than I had considered? One query, as per the attached updated spreadsheet I added 26.73L of water to my urn, but have just noticed under it the 27.26L of strike water needed. Should I have put in 27.26L instead of the 26.73L I did add?

Also is there any other issues with my updated spreadsheet? Thanks for the help
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Post #2115 made 10 years ago
by goulaigan
Looks good MetalDan. The strike water, if you notice it says [Hot] beside it, this is showing what your total water needed should expand to when heated to mash temp. You did it correct by starting with the TWN. One thing to try and do in the future is to fill out all the fields in section L as you brew. This way if there is a discrepancy between your measurement and the predicted volume at any point we can more easily identify a possible issue. The volumes are easily measured by just using a ruler to measure the headspace in your kettle, put the measurement into section V to get your volume. Also try and get a gravity reading before the boil and enter in section M.

You say you did a 90 min boil above, did you mean Mash? because if you did a 90 min boil, you had BIABacus set to 60, so that would definitely explain why you ended up with less wort at higher gravity. If indeed you did a 60, you may have ended up with more evaporation than predicted, and if that is the case maybe just leave the evaporation rate at default for next time in section X. Your efficiency of ambient wort is a bit low but not too bad, probably nothing to worry about for now until you get a few more batches done and take all the measurements I mentioned. Then if there is a consistent problem with lower than expected efficiency we can look deeper.

All in all, you made beer, and I'd be willing to bet it will turn out awesome, so congrats! On to the next one!


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Post #2116 made 10 years ago
by MetalDan
Cheers again for the reply. Sorry yes a 90 min mash the boil was 60 mins. Also I filled out some of the fields in section L last night and also thought if I had all these numbers it would help me work out what went wrong, and also would have told me to possibly add more water before the boil to help dilute my wort and decrease the gravity.

Cheers again. On a side note I just googled Goulais river ON. A few years back I did a road trip from Toronto to BC (I'm from Aus), we staid overnight in Thunder Bay but I seem to remember stopping near Goulais River for a great waterfall just off the highway. It took us 19 hours to drive out of Ontario, man thats a big province.. :)

Post #2117 made 10 years ago
by goulaigan
Thats a good road trip :) I lived in AB for a while and made the trek home to ON a few times by road. Ontario just seems big cause the Northern ON hiway is so winding and slow I think. (and has to go up and around Lake Superior) Used to take me 15-16 hrs just to get from here in Goulais to the ON-MB border (the first 1000km or so)and then another 15-16 hrs to get from there to Grande Prairie AB. (the other 2000km) I wonder if the waterfall you remember would have been Chippewa Falls? Its only about 30 or 40km from here... Nice country around here though, I actually live right on Goulais bay on Lake Superior.

Wouldn't mind seeing Australia someday but my wife will never go there on account of all the scary spider stories haha.
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Post #2118 made 10 years ago
by MrRock
Hi folks, this is my first attempt at using the BIABacus and will also be my first attempt at BIAB, so I'd appreciate if someone can let me know if I'm on the right track.

I'm intending to start small with some mini BIAB 5L batches until I've got the hang of things.

I'll be using a 32cm/25.7L stockpot on the gas stove in the kitchen. I've still got a few bits of equipment to pick up, so will hopefully get started in the next couple of weeks.

My favourite beers are really floral hoppy pale style, so thought I might as well start with something along those lines.

I've attached my first attempts at playing with the figures in BIABacus to scale to my 5L batch size, and adjusting the fermentables & hop AA% to what is available at the supplier I was going to use.
The first is the example Amarillo APA and the second I found while browsing this forum looking for a single hop Citra recipe.

One thing I've spotted is the Citra recipe was for "no chill" which I've had a read about. I was intending cooling in the sink before pitching, so should I adjust the hops to account for that? What would be likely to happen if I didn't?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give to get me started.
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Post #2119 made 10 years ago
by goulaigan
Hi MrRock, those two files look good to me. Only thing I would do differently is go with bigger batches :) I wouldn't worry about the chilling method of the original recipe too much at this point, if at all. The hop utilization differences are pretty small, however you will get slightly more utilization out of the hops in theory when no chilling, since hops will continue to isomerize until around 80c. If you are chilling in the sink it is sort of halfway between no-chill and a faster method like immersion, so I doubt there will be much difference. If you like floral beers citra is agreat hop, one of my favourites, so you could bump up the last addition a bit even.

One more note on my bigger batches comment, it is actually easier to be consistent with larger batches. Also easier to weigh larger amounts of hops etc., so if you are able to you may find it easier to make a slightly larger batch, whatever your kettle will allow. Also a 5L volume into fermentor won't get you 5L of finished beer, as there will be yeast and trub losses after fermentation.

Either way, those two recipes will make great beer, letus know how they turn out and happy brewing!
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Post #2120 made 10 years ago
by MrRock
Great, thanks for the advice.

I totally understand what you're saying about the batch sizes, I just wanted to start out small so that I can do some brews more often while I'm learning.

I'll probably end up going to 10L or more once I get going and have some favourites.

Would 10 grams for the last Citra addition be more on the mark then? I do love the mega hoppy beers, but I've no idea how much is too much at the moment (if there is such a thing!)

Post #2121 made 10 years ago
by goulaigan
Such a thing as too much hops? Depends who you ask :) I personally would say no such thing. I think 10 would be just fine. Of course it takes a bunch of brews under your belt to really know how amounts and types of hops in a batch relate to your taste preference. I've put close to a pound in 5 gals and would go more :argh:
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Post #2123 made 10 years ago
by shetc
Hi Guys,

I would like to make my 2nd attempt at brewing a recipe from Brewing Classic Styles. My first attempt at a BCS recipe was also my first BIAB bust (see My First Flop: BCS Scottish Export 80/ if you are interested) so I would like to get the next one right. I have attached the BIABacus for the BCS American Rye Ale recipe from page 103. I have set the original recipe's Volume of Ambient Wort in Section D to 21.82 L as advised in http://biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3061#p44668. However, I am concerned that the amount of required fermentables shown on the right-hand side of Section C seems substantially reduced from the left-hand side as the BCS recipes are supposed to make 5 gallons. I would appreciate it if someone could check my numbers, please.

Thanks,

Steve
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