ABV Does Not Match ABV in the Brewing Classic Styles Book

Post #1 made 10 years ago
This is likely a simple answer, but it's not coming to me... I don't see any reason for the discrepancy.

I'm brewing a German Pilsner. This time doing Santiam hops for all hops, along with same European Pilsner malt / grain (SMASH). The OG is 1.048 in both the BCS book and in the BIABacus. But the FG is 1.009 in the book vs. 1.012 expected in the BIABacus. And resulting ABV of course is different, 5.1% ABV in the book vs. 4.6% ABV in the BIABacus. This is actually fairly major. Why is there a discrepancy...?

Help me out here guys... What am I missing?

Thanks, Scott
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Post #2 made 10 years ago
Scott, What yeast are you using, and at What Temperature are you Fermenting????

BIABACUS projects an 'Average' ABV Based on OG. In Other words, A Guess.

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Post #3 made 10 years ago
Hi ya Scott :peace:,

You'll see in the BCS book, just under the OG and FG, a thing called "ADF". This is short for 'apparent degree of attenuation'. Basically, this means how much of the 'sugars' in your wort your yeast will be able to eat up and convert to alcohol and CO2. In the book it lists an ADF of 81%. You need to type that 81 into Section H as follows...
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Unless you type a figure in that field, the BIABacus assumes a very reasonable 75% ADF or 'apparent attenuation' and this will usually server you well. In fact, I think the 81 is a little high for the yeasts suggested.

Attenuation also depends on many factors apart from the yeast used. [EDIT: I just saw that Josh has alluded to this above]. It's a complex area and not one to get really worried about.

One final question you might have is that even after typing in 81 into section H, the BIABacus only reads out 5.0% ABV not 5.1%. This will be basically due to some lack of precision in the info supplied. For example, go to Section R and type in 1.0085 as your actual final gravity type in 81.4 into Section H and you will get matching answers for ABV. (You'll still have a 0.1 discrepancy on ABW though and this will most likely due to the ProMash formulas not using as many decimal places as the BIABacus in their basic formulas.)

Also have aread of this post on Number Respect and Disrepect

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Post #4 made 10 years ago
Joshua - I had not put the yeast in yet because I'm not certain which will be in stock at LHBS. Maybe should have. Either White Labs 830 (German Lager Yeast) or WyEast 2124 (Bohemian Lager Yeast). According to MrMalty.com these are identical yeast strains. Plan to ferment at 50 deg F.

Pat - thanks a bunch for this info! It really helps connect the dots. And another layer of the BIABacus is unpeeled...

And White Labs estimates 74-79% attenuation with medium floculation, while Wyeast 73-77% attenuation with medium-low floculation. Are these really the same yeast strain...? Supposed to be. Seems like 75% would be a more accurate estimate than 81%; 75% is dead on avg with Wyeast and maybe a point or two low with what White Labs estimates. But the excellent BCS book is way off on the attenuation numbers...! I've caught temperature discrepancies in the past too. Haven't previously checked attenuation #s.

Went back and read / re-read your post on number respect / disrespect. Was a good reminder. And also remember that earlier this year, checked the numbers posted on the inside of my new Bajou Classic brew kettle (by using smaller cooking / fluid measurements) and Bayou Classic's measurements were off hugely! 1/3 to 2/3 U.S. Gallon depending on how full the 15 gallon pot is. May not be a big deal with deep frying a turkey, but a major issue if trying to have accurate homebrew numbers. So I keep a print-out with my brewing supplies and use that when brewing. In hindsight would have been better to etch my own #s... But post is a good reminder to not get too excited if things are off.
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