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Not enough finishing hops. What to expect?

Post #1 made 11 years ago
by UnknownGuest
Hi all,

I just realised that with the beer I just bottled, the original recipe called for Cascade hops at 10 mins, 5 mins and 0 mins. But I missed the 5 mins and 0 mins additions when entering that info into the BIABacus and thus only did the 10 minute addition.

What should I expect from the beer? Lacking flavour and bitterness? Any other issues?

Attached is a pic of the original recipe, and also a pic of the hop additions on the BIABacus.

Cheers
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Post #2 made 11 years ago
by safebrew222
According to my simplistic understanding of hops...those late additions are usually aroma additions. They add that "hop forward" flavor and aroma where the additions at the beginning of the boil are considered bittering additions and are considered to have less affect on the aroma. So maybe you'll have an ale with clean bitterness instead of the more hoppy notes typical in an APA. Let us know what happens. :luck:

Post #4 made 11 years ago
by safebrew222
UnknownGuest wrote:Yeah that sounds like what I was thinking too. Hopefully it'll still smell and taste decent...
Hey... its beer. As long as the fermentation is clean it should be drinkable. :drink:
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Post #6 made 11 years ago
by PistolPatch
Errors like this are really valuable UG so be excited rather than disappointed.

Safebrew said above, "Hey... it's beer," and that comment shouldn't be treated too frivolously. In the home-brewing world, we don't talk enough about appreciating the beer. There is too much talk on style etc etc. We need more talk on clearing your mind before tasting a beer. There are many, many studies in tasting that show your expectations dramatically affect what you will actually taste and sense.

I think one of my favourite things I like about beer is when I can blank my mind out of any expectations and just taste the beer. A lot of people will knock (ridicule) some commercial beers that are actually quite amazing (and win awards) if you really taste/explore them.

So, when you taste this beer UG, really taste it. Have no pre-conceptions. Just enjoy it and it will be great. Once you have savoured it and appreciated it, then employ your mind to ask yourself how it is different to what you maybe intended to brew.

...

I learned a big lesson this time last year. I brewed a Kolsch, a blonde ale and an 'Aussie Lager' all within a week of each other. To me, they ended up tasting virtually the same so I now know that I, personally, can brew any of those recipes and get the same result for me. I don't know if that would work for you as we don't share the same body let alone mouth or nose. (A lot of brewers I know can drink and enjoy beer I have to throw out and some of them would do the same with a beer that I love.

So, always remember that the goal is to make beer that you appreciate and enjoy. You not enjoying this beer would be as silly as going to a restaurant, ordering a Sauvignon Blanc white wine and being given a Chardonnay instead. Put your mind in the right frame and you'll find a lot of beauty in the Chardonnay.

Get back to us once you have tasted it. I'm guessing :yum:,
PP
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Post #7 made 11 years ago
by UnknownGuest
Thanks for the response Pistol, you made some good points.

I'll definitely try and taste it without any preconceived notions about what it should be.

Being my first all grain brew, I just have no idea how forgiving the recipes are.

Looking forward to tasting it though!
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Post #8 made 11 years ago
by safebrew222
I agree with PP... brewing award winning beer must be nice (I wouldn't know, I have never brewed for competition) but I think I brew to drink stuff I like. Otherwise, its not a hobby...

I had another thought. It looked like you brewed a 10L batch. Taste it before bottling. If you would like to have more hoppy flavor... get some hops and throw them in there for a week, then bottle. Or do half as is and dry hop half the batch. If you bottled already... don't worry drink up and plan your next batch!

Post #9 made 11 years ago
by UnknownGuest
Thanks Safebrew. My second batch has been in the fermenter for a week, so I will do as you suggested tonight.

A couple of questions?
• Can I just chuck some hops straight in or do I need to put in a bag?
• Approx. how many grams would you put into a 14 litre batch?

Re: Not enough finishing hops. What to expect?

Post #10 made 11 years ago
by safebrew222
Hopefully someone will back me up or correct me...

People use different methods. I don't think it matters if you use a bag or not. Maybe in the utilization a bit. Consensus is that you wait until primary fermentation has completed and the flat beer has "dropped clear." If you use glass or better bottles, the timing will be pretty easy to see. If you use buckets, you may have to guess a bit. Using a secondary fermentor is not necessary, but there are conflicting opinions on that too.

As far as how much, I think it has to do with taste. I would start small. Like a half ounce (14g).

Hope this helps.

Post #12 made 11 years ago
by laserghost
Yes you can just drop them in after primary attenuative phase is over and leave them in through conditioning. Time it out though because you want to dry hop for 5–14 days max. The only time I've used a bag is if I'm dry hopping in a keg. For super hoppy beers you can do multiple dry hops, in which case you might want to rack the beer to a new vessel with more dry hops. Or you could do a first addition that lasts 14 days and a second addition that's only in the final 3 days (add on the 11th day) to get different characters.

Dry hopping is nice in pale ales and IPAs but can add a fresh cut grass character if excessive. I have dry hopped some double IPAs with 6 oz for 6 gallons with great results.

Try to limit oxygen exposure at this point as it's an aroma killer. Also, if you have the ability to cold crash after the dry hop it will help them settle out, but it's not a big deal if not, they'll settle out in the bottle if any get in.

I usually use pellets.
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