A Day Late and a Dollar Short

Post #1 made 12 years ago
A Day Late and a Dollar short.

I’ve been reading the Forum for a couple of weeks now and as I read I’m learning that I really don’t know very much about brewing beer.

At least as PP says I was looking at what was being said by the so-called experts through glasses with dust on them and using software that was and is flawed. No wonder, at times I could never make sense of what I was seeing on paper and what I was actually getting when brewing. I have a long way to go before I understand the terminology and brewing process as presented here.

A little repeat of my history, in case you missed my original post…

Beer being an alcohol beverage I never like for most of my adult life. In 2006 my alcohol drink of choice became beer when introduced to Craft beers. With this conversion to beer I also became interested in Home brewing and read, studied everything about the hobby. Finally brewed my 1st beer (kit) during the fall of 2007, another one in Dec 2007, build my first 3 vessel all-grain system in Feb 2007, rebuild that system about a year later, making it a RIMS system. Entered a few competitions and even won a few awards. Became a BJCP judge, all done in an attempt to become the best brewer I could be.

During 2010 I viewed a video of the Braumeister and looked for more info concerning the system. As I said in my original post here, I found Arnie’s BrauBrushka system (a Braumeister clone). Liked some of his features and started a design around his ideas. As seen in my photo documentation in Electric BIAB (incl. Automatic) that system is almost completed.

Now 3 years later I discover BiaBrewer.info Forum and learn that I really don’t know what I believed I knew. So really I’m not a Day Short and a Dollar Short, it is more like “Years Late and Hundreds of Dollars Short”.

If I had found Biabrewer.info forum in 2010, I would have never spend the time (Years late) and the Resources to build the SVABS (Hundreds of Dollars Short”) or build in the complexity that I now learn is completely unnecessary. I would have built a BIAB system, probably with some automation, but never with the complexity of my existing system.

I can’t completely abandon the SVABS but I will be attempting to remove some of the complexity from it in the days ahead. I’ll probably waste some more time by brewing with the system just to find any problems in the design, that’s just my Engineering background showing up.

Meanwhile I’m building a true BIAB system using a beer keg I have in storage. I partially automate by using my some of the functions of my existing control panel. I’ll use Cornies as no-chill containers for 5 gallon batches, I own a couple dozen of them, may as well put them to use.

As I build the new BIAB system, I will document.

A big thanks to all that have put their time, passion and resources into bringing this Forum to those interested in home brewing the smart way. :!:

Joe Werner (Fossildust)
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Post #2 made 12 years ago
jhwerner1, :thumbs:
I’ll use Cornies as no-chill containers for 5 gallon batches, I own a couple dozen of them, may as well put them to use.
Cornies don't work as no chillers! They have been tried before. No good! They melt the plastic or something? I can't remember? Sorry.
I partially automate by using my some of the functions of my existing control panel.
BIAB is just a bag and a pot! No need for anything else if you just want quick and tasty brew! :drink: If you want to dink around with toys that great! That's perfectly fine. But BIAB is as simple and perfect as it can be! I have a temporary video that I will update and correct a few slow parts but look here! Check out the video on the bottom of my old BIAB page.

http://www.stempski.com/biab.php

edit: look at this about no chill containers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OhP_1ZHzVc#t=180
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
That's called an "epiphany" Joe, welcome to the club! BTDT myself, got the tee-shirt and large pile of expensive equipment to prove it.

---Todd
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
Bob,

Thanks for the heads up concerning the Cornies and No-chill container use and the recommendation of the correct container to use from USPlastics.

Fossildust
Joe Werner
Old Geezer


On Tap...
Scottish Ale Export
Oatmeal Stout
American Imperial Stout
American Imperial Stout
Red Irish Ale
New England IPA
American IPA
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
jhwerner1,

That's what friends are for. We are unabashed BIAB lovers here. We aim to help everyone out the best we can. Why reinvent the wheel? Keep brewing and let us know how your doing and try BIABacus for brewing software!
tap 1 Raspberry wine
tap 2 Bourbon Barrel Porter
tap 3 Czech Pilsner
tap 4 Triple IPA 11% ABV

Pipeline: Mulled Cider 10% ABV

http://cheesestradamus.com/ Brewers challenge!
    • SVA Brewer With Over 100 Brews From United States of America

Post #6 made 12 years ago
jhwerner1 wrote: Beer being an alcohol beverage I never like for most of my adult life. In 2006 my alcohol drink of choice became beer when introduced to Craft beers. With this conversion to beer I also became interested in Home brewing and read, studied everything about the hobby. Finally brewed my 1st beer (kit) during the fall of 2007, another one in Dec 2007, build my first 3 vessel all-grain system in Feb 2007, rebuild that system about a year later, making it a RIMS system. Entered a few competitions and even won a few awards. Became a BJCP judge, all done in an attempt to become the best brewer I could be.

During 2010 I viewed a video of the Braumeister and looked for more info concerning the system. As I said in my original post here, I found Arnie’s BrauBrushka system (a Braumeister clone). Liked some of his features and started a design around his ideas. As seen in my photo documentation in Electric BIAB (incl. Automatic) that system is almost completed.
Hey Joe, we all have been following your build. Keep us posted how it works and all your other projects, e.g. - converted keg and such. We are happy to see you here with such interest and enthusiasm.

I discovered alcohol AND craft brew in 2006 (age 51), wish I found it earlier!
:peace:
MS - aka Richard
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
Joe - Nice post :salute: , however, I have an unrelated question that should probably go to another thread but...
The BJCP judge thing; can you teach people to taste flaws or is it genetic?

Only reason I ask is that when I read about all the potential flaws in beer that are documented everywhere they don't sound like anything I have tasted.
Does oxidised beer really taste like cardboard? Diacetyl-butter etc. etc.?
G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
Mally,

The next time you visit Wisconsin? Try my beers! You can get a taste of all the flaws! :lol:
I can tell you that the medicinal taste is exactly like pulling a bandage off your knee (or whatever?) I had one at a little brew shop. The owner called it "chicken feet" because he was too cheap to dump it! I won't be going back there or recommending his place! :angry:

http://www.howtobrew.com/section4/chapter21-2.html Good descriptions!
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tap 1 Raspberry wine
tap 2 Bourbon Barrel Porter
tap 3 Czech Pilsner
tap 4 Triple IPA 11% ABV

Pipeline: Mulled Cider 10% ABV

http://cheesestradamus.com/ Brewers challenge!
    • SVA Brewer With Over 100 Brews From United States of America

Post #9 made 12 years ago
Joe, thanks for another great read :salute:.

As for the bit about not knowing very much about brewing beer, I don't believe that for a second! And don't worry about the terminology and brewing process stuff. Hopefully it will be laid out and explained better soon but, as you'd know first-hand, the actual all-grain process is pretty simple (and forgiving), just add a bit of hot water to grain, let it soak for a while, get it boiling and add a few hops. What could go wrong? Well, maybe this :lol:.

Looking forward to seeing pics of your rigs. I'm sure you have been enjoying building them. Don't regret the time you've spent on them for a second - it's all good fun.

Thanks again,
PP
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Post #10 made 12 years ago
Malty,
The BJCP judge thing; can you teach people to taste flaws or is it genetic?
Short answer Malty... Yes you can be taught to taste flaws and yes some folks have a natural ability and the palette to do so.

If you don't have the natural ability, then it takes time to teach yourself to ID all the beer flavors and aromas- good or bad.

Bob placed a link to a section of John Palmer's book that is a good read and I'm placing a couple of attachments to this post that maybe helpful.

Side Note: I'm not a person that has the natural ability to ID flavors and aromas. What I can get was through long periods of doctoring beers (Miller Lite), attending Beer Appreciation classes here in Indy and other technical classes about beer. Having worked along side a Pro-Brewer for 9 months was also a great teacher. Chewed on malt and brewed Malt teas (wort) to acquaint myself with the various flavors and aromas many times to get to the point that I could ID the different malts available.

And at my age, everything seems to deteriorate, including the sense of taste and smell.
Does oxidized beer really taste like cardboard? Diacetyl-butter etc. etc.?
Yes - Oxidized (usually old high alcohol beers will taste papery.
I can't taste Diacetyl at low levels, but butter-bombs I get right away. To me they are like buying popcorn at a theater.

Fossildust
Beer Off-Flavors - Aromas.pdf
This is a Checklist that was created and published by the BJCP organization. When used here in Indy, it is for club activities. I use it as a fossildust activator when I judging.
Beer_faults.pdf
And finally here is a article I had on my computer, wish I could find the original link to it so Scott Bickham and Brewing Techniques could being given credit for the article.
An Introduction to Sensory Analysis .docx
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Joe Werner
Old Geezer


On Tap...
Scottish Ale Export
Oatmeal Stout
American Imperial Stout
American Imperial Stout
Red Irish Ale
New England IPA
American IPA
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Post #11 made 12 years ago
Very interesting

Thanks Joe :thumbs:
G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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