Basically I have a 17 litre pan so looking at a max of 15 litre full to get around 11 litres into an Fv so I just wondered if I could split this into two
http://www.worcesterhopshop.co.uk/produ ... ucts_id=75
If anyone could give a 11 litre recipe for this would be good
Post #2 made 12 years ago
Welcome to the forum Seanseanbond10 wrote:If anyone could give a 11 litre recipe for this would be good
.In your first post, you wrote about coming to this site to learn how to split 23 litre brews into 11 or 12 litre batches. For this, you have come to the right site, probably the only site that can show you how to convert/scale recipes correctly. But, this recipe, like so many others you will stumble upon, actually cannot be split in two.
If you post this same question on any other forum, you will get a short answer very quickly but it will be wrong unless that communication says, "This recipe cannot be copied.".
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Scaling a recipe is actually really easy but only if the recipe you are scaling has integrity. The worst thing is that nearly all brewing recipes you come across do not have integrity. A recipe that has no integrity cannot be scaled or copied accurately. A read of the thread, Does this recipe have integrity? Can I copy it? will give more detail than I can do here but the recipe you are trying to copy fails on pretty much every front it is possible to fail on - they actually deserve a medal
...1. The Volume of Ambient Wort is not defined.
2. The Alpha Acid %'s of the hops are not stated.
3. The timing of the hop additions is totally vague/ambiguous.
4. No original gravity is stated.
5. No bitterness level, let alone formula, is stated.
Yep, that is probably the most ambiguous recipe I have seen for a while
.Sean, most of what you see on the net will be like that recipe - useless. There's a lot hidden away on this site as to why most recipes you stumble across can't be copied/scaled but hopefully the thread I linked above will get you started on learning how to find recipes that do have integrity. Buy the book "Brewing Classic Styles" if you can. It's one of the few sources of recipes that can be scaled/copied.
I have no idea what a Cotleigh Barn Owl is (I live in Oz) but, if you can describe the style or the beer, I think a few brewers here could come up with a recipe to get you started. So, start a new thread maybe? "How can I clone a Cotleigh Barn Owl (whatever that is
?)*.
PP
* At the very least, if there are no replies, if you describe the style, I would be able to describe a process you can go through to create a recipe that would get you in the ball-park and you and some other brewers could build on that.
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
I picked that recipe mainly as it just an example of weather I could buy something straight off the shelve instead of having 5 grams of this hop lying around and 55g of some other ingredient etc
Post #4 made 12 years ago
Sean, if this recipe comes as a kit, you can brew it as long as you realise that unless you use exactly the same equipment as the original brewer, then your beer will be somewhat different. In other words, unless you have the same evaporation rate, same kettle trub losses and same kettle efficiency as the original brewer, you will get a different beer.
If you go ahead with this, the main question you'll have to answer is how much water should I use? Use too much and your beer will be weak. Use too little and it will be too strong. This is the problem with buying recipe packs especially when they come with so little information.
On the plus side, all-grain is so forgiving that whatever you do, the chances are overwhelming that you will end up with a very drinkable beer.
PP
If you go ahead with this, the main question you'll have to answer is how much water should I use? Use too much and your beer will be weak. Use too little and it will be too strong. This is the problem with buying recipe packs especially when they come with so little information.
On the plus side, all-grain is so forgiving that whatever you do, the chances are overwhelming that you will end up with a very drinkable beer.
PP
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
So if I asked for a not very bitter beer more fragrance in the recipes section using pale malt crystal malt and the two hops I already have (challenger, EKG ) some one some where could help build me a recipe
Post #6 made 12 years ago
I reckon they could. The min thing will be to communicate what sort of beers you currently like or beer styles if you know them.
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
I like anything just has to have lots of flavour and not two bitter for the wife
Post #8 made 12 years ago
An English IPA comes to mind.seanbond10 wrote:So if I asked for a not very bitter beer more fragrance in the recipes section using pale malt crystal malt and the two hops I already have (challenger, EKG ) some one some where could help build me a recipe
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Post #9 made 12 years ago
The one saving grace with the cotleigh barn owl from worcester hop shop is that it states it is based on the Graham Wheeler BYORA.
The only person I know who has that book is Yeasty (BTW is he still alive)?
The only person I know who has that book is Yeasty (BTW is he still alive)?
G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #10 made 12 years ago
I have one of graham wheelers brew books here but that anit in it like I said the main reason I opted for there was I don't want to be buying 100g of this hop to need 10g of it add 3-4 hops into a recipe and it becomes dear
Post #11 made 12 years ago
I suppose reading between the lines I am not surprised it isn't in the book as it states "BASED" on the GW BYORA recipes.
What also doesn't help us; is that it doesn't state WHICH recipe it was based on!
If we could find which recipe it was based on you should be in much better shape to use it because we know we can scale GW recipes succesfully.
I don't have the book, but this post here by Yeasty #104 gives us a little more info. It was also 3 months ago but guess nothing has changed since then?
What also doesn't help us; is that it doesn't state WHICH recipe it was based on!
If we could find which recipe it was based on you should be in much better shape to use it because we know we can scale GW recipes succesfully.
I don't have the book, but this post here by Yeasty #104 gives us a little more info. It was also 3 months ago but guess nothing has changed since then?
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G B
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I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #12 made 12 years ago
I've just been "catching up" and I see I've been mentioned in this thread 
I've .just X checked the WHS with GWBYORA and they are the same as the books 23L batch sizes which is 23L EOBV.
Note: I'll have to go back and do some digging to confirm if this is a hot volume or ambient.
Going back to the OP I think that Sean wanted to avoid was having lots of odds and ends of hops lying around, so a Kit recipe seems to be a better solution. But as PP has covered, unless you know the original hops AA% and the supplied hops AA% and the EOBV at least, you are going to have to make assumptions and the brew may not turn out as intended.
My solution to this problem would be to build/clone your own recipes, buy the hops you need and freeze the surplus. Then brew like crazy. There will always be the day when you are missing a hop type and you can make do with what you have in stock. This leads to creativity and unique beers that you can truly call your own.
Yeasty
PS..Guys/Gals please feel free to PM me if you think I could provide some input to a thread. I've been busy of late and I've been doing a lot of skimming to try and keep up. If you think I could do with a heads up give me a nudge.
I've .just X checked the WHS with GWBYORA and they are the same as the books 23L batch sizes which is 23L EOBV.
Note: I'll have to go back and do some digging to confirm if this is a hot volume or ambient.
Going back to the OP I think that Sean wanted to avoid was having lots of odds and ends of hops lying around, so a Kit recipe seems to be a better solution. But as PP has covered, unless you know the original hops AA% and the supplied hops AA% and the EOBV at least, you are going to have to make assumptions and the brew may not turn out as intended.
My solution to this problem would be to build/clone your own recipes, buy the hops you need and freeze the surplus. Then brew like crazy. There will always be the day when you are missing a hop type and you can make do with what you have in stock. This leads to creativity and unique beers that you can truly call your own.
Yeasty
PS..Guys/Gals please feel free to PM me if you think I could provide some input to a thread. I've been busy of late and I've been doing a lot of skimming to try and keep up. If you think I could do with a heads up give me a nudge.
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Post #13 made 12 years ago
Yep that's what I didn't want 5g of this hop lying and 15g of another. Looking at one recipe it needed around 5 hop types if your talking 2.50 a bag that's 12.50 alone in hops.
Tho the conniston blue bird recipe you have shown means I could brew very very cheaply - quick calculation
Base grain £2.50
Crystal 50p
Hops 1.25
Gas/water £3.00
if I finish with around 10 litres once ferments complete so that's 20 bottles for around 7.25
Or about 36p a bottle not bad at all
Tho the conniston blue bird recipe you have shown means I could brew very very cheaply - quick calculation
Base grain £2.50
Crystal 50p
Hops 1.25
Gas/water £3.00
if I finish with around 10 litres once ferments complete so that's 20 bottles for around 7.25
Or about 36p a bottle not bad at all
Post #14 made 12 years ago
Sean I like your style, keep it simple !
Some of the best recipes are very basic and use minimal ingredients. This also applies to a lot of commercial beers, Base malt, a bit of crystal, 1 or 2 hops and they have a winning brew.
The easiest of all is a SMaSH style beer using one base malt and one hop variety. Some of my best beers have been SMaSH brews. Even the commercials are catching on and Mardstons and Thwaites have done there own SMaSH's on draft.
With some careful (or not so careful) planning you could do 2 SMaSH brews with 2 different hops and then do a combination for the third.
Yeasty
Some of the best recipes are very basic and use minimal ingredients. This also applies to a lot of commercial beers, Base malt, a bit of crystal, 1 or 2 hops and they have a winning brew.
The easiest of all is a SMaSH style beer using one base malt and one hop variety. Some of my best beers have been SMaSH brews. Even the commercials are catching on and Mardstons and Thwaites have done there own SMaSH's on draft.
With some careful (or not so careful) planning you could do 2 SMaSH brews with 2 different hops and then do a combination for the third.
Yeasty
Why is everyone talking about "Cheese"
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Post #15 made 12 years ago
I'm thinking of an EKG smash using that recipe base but adding honey and root ginger .... Obvistly after the blue bird bitter
