Post #1276 made 12 years ago
Cheers for the reply! How about?


Prost! Weizen

Type: All Grain
Date: 11/2/2002
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Brewer: Brad Smith
Boil Size: 6.13 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Brads Setup
Taste Rating(out of 50): 42.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00
Taste Notes: Inspired by my trip to Bavaria for Octoberfest...Greate balance, smooth taste, great bannana and clove flavor, straw color - a great Weizen!

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
5.00 lb Wheat Malt, Ger (2.0 SRM) Grain 55.56 %
4.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) Bel (3.0 SRM) Grain 44.44 %
0.50 oz Tettnang [4.40 %] (60 min) Hops 8.1 IBU
0.50 oz Tettnang [4.40 %] (30 min) Hops 6.3 IBU
1 Pkgs Weihenstephan Weizen (Wyeast Labs #3068) Yeast-Wheat


Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.049 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.047 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.012 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 4.85 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4.82 %
Bitterness: 14.4 IBU Calories: 207 cal/pint
Est Color: 4.1 SRM Color:
Color

Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out Total Grain Weight: 9.00 lb
Sparge Water: 4.65 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 11.25 qt of water at 165.9 F 154.0 F


Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Kegged (Forced CO2) Volumes of CO2: 2.4
Pressure/Weight: 11.7 PSI Carbonation Used: -
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 41.0 F Age for: 35.0 days
Storage Temperature: 52.0 F

Notes

A great beer - needs to be aged for at least a month for the strong yeast to smooth out a bit. Sparge slowly to avoid a stuck sparge (lots of wheat). Prost is the traditional German toast - like saying "Cheers!"
spanspoon wrote:I've done a few kits now and time to up my game....giving biab a whirl. I have a 30l burco boiler. Given that summer (hopefully) is on its way I'm going for a refreshing wheat beer.

Here's the recipe I'd like to do and I would like to maximise the size of my brew for my modest sized boiler!

Recipe Gravity: 1.054 OG
Recipe Bitterness: 23 IBU
Recipe Color: 4 SRM
Estimated FG: 1.014
Alcohol by Volume: 5.2%
Alcohol by Weight: 4.1%

3lb of Wheat Malt
1.5lb of Pilsner Malt
.5lb CaraPils

.25oz Saaz 60min
.50oz Saaz 40min
.25oz Saaz 20min
.25oz Tettnanger(US) 5min

.5 teaspoon corriander seed 10min
1 oz fresh orange zest/peel 10min
1 teaspoon irish moss 10min

Bring 4 gal to 165f for mashing

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Here's the dimensions of my boiler

Capacity Litres: 30
Capacity Cups: 180
Dimensions: 390(w) x 480(h) x 390(d)mm
Weight: 6kg
Heat Up Time: 70 Minutes
Power: 3kW

I have two 25 litre fermentation vessels.
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Post #1277 made 12 years ago
PistolPatch wrote:Zymeck, nice job on the BIABacus. I can't find a single error - everything is great!!! I'm off to work soon so will jumpo straigh to your questions...

1. If you are doing a pure (full-volume) BIAB such as you will be doing, the volumes can be seen pictorially in this post. Click on the pic or save it to your computer to view it more easilly.

From that you'll see that TWN is the amount of water you will need at room temperature for your brew. When heated, it expands a little. We call this 'Strike Water Neeeded - SWN'. When you put the grain in, the volume increases again. We call that Mash Volume. When you take the spent grain out, it will have left behind most of it's sugar content but will have absorbed some water. The end result is that we end up with a bit less volume in the kettle before the boil than we started with. We call that 'Volume into Kettle (VIK)' which, on reflection, could be a pretty confusing term to a new, BIAB all-grainer as it is a more 'traditional' term really. We might have to re-think that one. For now though, it is how much wort is in your kettle at the beginning if the boil.

2. I always do 90 minute boils and tend to add my first hop addition at 75 minutes. This gives the boil a chance to settle down whilst giving the first hop addition lots of time in the kettle.

3. It is fine to take a sample before you pitch the yeast and pour it back in assuming you will do as you say on the cleanliness side. I'd probably avoid the bottling one though unless you pour that sample into a single bottle, top it up and then prime it individually.

Have fun!
PP
Hi PistolPatch

Thank you vefor taking the time to respond to my questions. Unfortunately, having checked my pot again, it turns out that that it’s actually 18cm, not 28cm as I had originally though!!!

Consequentaly, my puny pot is not quite large enough for pure-BIABing, so im going to have to use the maxi-BIAB method

Ive played around with the BIABacus, and added 1.5l to section W –“water added before boil“ (although in reality I might get away with just 1 litre when ive tested the pot) - This has altered the volumes in section K as follows…

Before

TWN = 8.07
SWN = 8.23
Mash Volume = 8.98
ViK = 7.74

After

TWN = 8.10
SWN = 6.73
Mash Volume = 7.51
ViK = 7.74

Would I be right in thinking that the amount of water I need to put in my pot at the start of the process is now 6.60l? (ie, 8.10l minus 1.5l = 6.60l)

Also, the water where I live isn’t very nice, so I was planning to use cheap filtered supermarket water. My question is – Can I add this to the pot before the boil straight from the bottle, or should it be boiled or heated first?

Thanks again for your help
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Post #1278 made 12 years ago
spanspoon: That recipe will take a bit of investigation to scale properly but once done should be a high integrity recipe. I read in your first post that you were playing with the BIABacus. Can you type this recipe into the BIABacus as best as you can and then post the file? This will save heaps of time.

You could add the coriander and orange that was in your first recipe to this recipe if you wanted but maybe brew it 'straight' first and try that on a later brew?

Zymeck: That's perfect again Zymeck. No problems there at all :salute: .
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Post #1279 made 12 years ago
please see my biabacus, filled it in as best i can!!


PistolPatch wrote:spanspoon: That recipe will take a bit of investigation to scale properly but once done should be a high integrity recipe. I read in your first post that you were playing with the BIABacus. Can you type this recipe into the BIABacus as best as you can and then post the file? This will save heaps of time.

You could add the coriander and orange that was in your first recipe to this recipe if you wanted but maybe brew it 'straight' first and try that on a later brew?

Zymeck: That's perfect again Zymeck. No problems there at all :salute: .
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Post #1281 made 12 years ago
Bit short on time over the next few days spanspoon but here's a few quick notes...

1. Your pot is big enough to handle a VIF of more than 15.0 litre so you can increase that if you want.

2. For similiar reasons, you can deleter the 1.5 l in Section W.

3. In Sections C and D, on the left hand side, uo need to put the weights in of the orignal recipe. For example, Wheat malt shoud be 2268 grams (5 pounds).

4. ALways mash for 90 minutes not 60 mins.

You change those things and re-post the file and I'll see if I can remember my password for BeerSmith Cloud so I can download the original file. Getting hold of the orignal file is the only easy way to determine the EOBV-A of the original recipe. This number is always needed to scale a recipe correctly.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1282 made 12 years ago
Good evening from up north.
I haven't been around for a while, been working & then holidays. I know life is rough. Getting low on beer, need to make more.
I want to make another batch of Todd's IPA since the 1st one turned out so good. I filled in the Biabacus & attached. It doesn't seem to be giving me my volumes. I may have missed something.
Thanks.
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Post #1283 made 12 years ago
Strengthnhealth wrote:I filled in the Biabacus & attached. It doesn't seem to be giving me my volumes.
Your copy of the BIABacus has been unprotected and some critical formulas lost. This can occur if the BIABacus is saved as an .ods file at some point. To correct this, you will need to download a fresh copy of the BIABacus and re-type your recipe in. Unfortunately, we can't do much to prevent this occurring at the moment although plans are in store to prevent this type of problem.

[Please note that Hints does not reply to direct questions.]
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Post #1285 made 12 years ago
S&H, that file looks good now :salute:, but...

hold on...

what is your question? :P

If you want to know whether you are scaling the original 'Todd's IPA' correctly, you'll need to give a link to the original recipe. I can remember a thread or something on Todd's IPA and even searched for it but found nothing!

This is why, if you want to scale/copy a recipe, you always need to include or provide a link to the original recipe. You can do it at the bottom of Section A or Section B of the BIABacus.

If you don't have a question though then go for it :party: :drink: :champ:
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Post #1287 made 12 years ago
Can I manipulate the "Desired Volume into Fermentor" to change the grain bill?

I dont like to have to put in 8.333 pounds of a particular malt. Id rather have the DVIF be different and add 9 pounds(or 8 pounds) rather than have all these bits of malt/hops hanging around.

Is changing the DVIF the way to achieve this after the original recipe is entered?


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Post #1288 made 12 years ago
That's the exact and only way to do it Trout ;).

The best way to look at Section C (your grain bill) is to see the left hand side as the ratios of grains. It doesn't matter if you put in pounds, grams, or percentages on the left hand side as the right hand side will show the weights you need to use.

Have a play around with that so as you can see the effects.

Your scenario is a rare one and so it will mean you will have to play a game of 'cat and mouse' or 'twenty questions' changing DVIF until you see the right hand side of Section C read 8 (or 9) pounds. It will only take a few seconds though to do this.

:peace:
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Post #1291 made 12 years ago
Hi,
I've input the recipe for an Adnams Explorer clone into the BIABacus however this recipe requires 205g of white sugar - I've added it into the grain section but I believe I need to make adjustments somewhere else?
Could someone give me a hand please?
Cheers,
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Post #1292 made 12 years ago
Hi there Jim,

Just go to Section Y, far bottom right, and beside 'White Sugar' type in 100 under FGDB' and 0 under 'MC'. When you do this 46.2 ppg should appear on the end of that row. In Section B, you'll now see you need 217 grams of white sugar.

Rest of the file looks great :salute:
PP
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Post #1294 made 12 years ago
Hey guys.
Been busy working since making this batch but here is my file & a few more questions.
I noticed that my last brew was quite clear by the time the keg was almost gone, about 2 months after kegging.
Brew went pretty good, about 6 hrs from start to finish.
I adjusted the evaporation rate & auto efficiency as PP suggested & the numbers are closer.
Brewed using cold tap water instead of hot this time.
When reheating your mash to get the temp back up, should you add the amount of time to your mash it took you to reach the desired temp?
Didn't see anything in Commentary or Checklist about Pre-lauter gravity so forgot to take this again.
I've been adding my 1.5L yeast starter & then measuring VIF. Is this correct or should I be measuring before adding the starter?
Thanks guys. Relax & have a brew! Thats where I'm off to now.
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Post #1295 made 12 years ago
S&H, just had a look at your file/post above and something's not right. I need a fresh brain though to look at it properly so give me a few days. In the meantime...
When reheating your mash to get the temp back up, should you add the amount of time to your mash it took you to reach the desired temp?
No, you don't need to worry about that.
Didn't see anything in Commentary or Checklist about Pre-lauter gravity so forgot to take this again.
PLG is something that is really only useful to Maxi-BIABers so you don't need to worry about that. For a full-volume brewer like yourself, it is the same as GIK.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1296 made 12 years ago
S&H, I couldn't find where you got those figures in Section X.

As a keggle owner, and BIABacus user now for three brews, I would recommend you setting the auto adjust to +9% and nulling out the evaporation rate in Section X. This recommendation assumes a 90 mins. mash and a 15 mins mash out at 170 degrees F. Maybe a +6%, if not mashing out.

Cheers,
~richard
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Post #1297 made 12 years ago
Mad_Scientist wrote:S&H, I couldn't find where you got those figures in Section X.
These ones came from this post Richard. How good is my memory? :lol:

....
Strengthnhealth wrote:...I've been adding my 1.5L yeast starter & then measuring VIF. Is this correct or should I be measuring before adding the starter?
Okay S&H, my brain is a bit clearer now....

You see how in your BIABacus, you have 24.52 L in Section L as the EOBV-A, does that 24.52 include the 1.5 L starter? I'm asking this as there is no VIF figure recorded in the file and your evaporation rate looks too low.

Whatever answer you give, I'm thinking that this brew is looking like one of those anomalies we all get. That's why it's important not to get too hung up on one brew. Let us know though on the above 1.5L starter thing though.

...

When using a liquid starter, the BIABacus (and most/all? main commercial software) does not allow for it. To get around this, if you want to have 23 litres of wort fermenting in your fermentor but are going to be using a 1.5 L starter, then, in your BIABacus, in Section B, you should change 'Desired Volume into Fermentor' from 23 to 21.5 L.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1298 made 12 years ago
Hi PP
Just catching a plane so will have to make this short.
You see how in your BIABacus, you have 24.52 L in Section L as the EOBV-A, does that 24.52 include the 1.5 L starter? I'm asking this as there is no VIF figure recorded in the file and your evaporation rate looks too low.
Biabacus must have got that figure from my EVOB which 25. The VIF is recorded as 21 L
Starter is not included in VIF.

Thanks guys
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Post #1299 made 12 years ago
Strengthnhealth wrote:Biabacus must have got that figure from my EVOB which 25.
Have another look when you have more time. The 24.52 is a figure that you typed in not the BIABacus :).

Also make sure that you read the last sentence of my last post and that it made sense as you will need to do that on your next brew.

;)
PP
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Post #1300 made 12 years ago
Hey PP
Have another look when you have more time. The 24.52 is a figure that you typed in not the BIABacus :).
The EVOB I put in is 25.5 in section L. The EVOB-A seems to be calculated when I put in the VIF. Which was 21L.
Forgot to measure the Mash volume in Section L, just added a number that I thought looked right.
Also make sure that you read the last sentence of my last post and that it made sense as you will need to do that on your next brew.
Adjust the desired volume into fermenter to allow for the 1.5 L starter. Will do that next brew.
Thanks PP
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