Excellent BIAB Video

Post #1 made 14 years ago
I don't frequent YouTube much but came across this lady's excellent pair of videos. It's refreshing to see different brewers' takes on BIAB and what really got me excited was the use of a SS rack and colander for draining, as opposed to a skyhook and draining the bag - I think I'll try this out, it looks so easy and logical.

Recommended viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZXw3aTAhaM
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Post #2 made 14 years ago
That was nicely done actually.

I use the colader method as well, and I use my lid to push down to squeeze more wort out.

I liked how she really went into describing the equipment. Also showed that it is very possible (and easier IMO) to do a step mash.

Post #3 made 14 years ago
That has got be better than squeezing a bag, especially if you do a mash out. Looks like my old fridge shelf might get a new lease of life or failing that maybe I can sneak a shelf out of the wall oven. Might have to keep the sky hook though, good help is hard to find.

Well, I tried it and either my bag is too big or my collander too small. Lots of overflow. Back to the skyhook, gloves and squeezing.

Post #6 made 14 years ago
Didn't improve efficiency, but I'm a rabid bag squeezer anyway and this method is far easier than doing a 10 minute Sumo Wrestling session with a hot wet bag (Cheryl, Sandra?) :smoke:

Seriously I think it could definitely be of benefit to brewers doing Maxi-BIAB with the sparge step.

Post #7 made 14 years ago
Nice work Beachbum. Was just thinking yesterday that I should give this a try while wrestling with 10 kg of hoisted grain from a double batch. Just couldn't seem to squeeze that last couple of litres out. Your pics have inspired me so cheers.

Post #8 made 14 years ago
I don't bother squeezing my bag, just hang it over the pot and let it drain. I'm talkin' brewin' here!

Honestly, who cares over an extra few millilitres of wort?
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Post #9 made 14 years ago
Beachbum wrote:Seriously I think it could definitely be of benefit to brewers doing Maxi-BIAB with the sparge step.
Yes BB, that's my thought too. The extra litre or two of wort makes Maxi-BIAB much more worthwhile (as opposed to pointless) particularly if the stuff gained is the strong stuff. However, pressing the bag before sparging it could become a bit time- consuming, how long did it take to yield that much wort, BB?
These days after a brief squeeze I'm allowing the sparge to drain on a circular cake rack in a tapered stainless bucket (ex- dairying), sometimes it takes for ever to drain completely, the liquor cools down and isn't ready to add to the boil before it finishes, a bit of help in speeding up that process could be what it needs.
Here we are, yet another attractive BIAB tool at our disposal, that's why I really dig this stuff! :thumbs:
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Post #10 made 14 years ago
In my mind the last bit out of the bag must be the best bit.. My names deebo and I am a squeezaholic..

I really need to find some insulated gloves though.. squeezing the hop bag at the end of the boil is a bit too hot for the dishwashing gloves.

Post #11 made 14 years ago
LOL deebo, you squeezaholic you :lol:

I'm with hashie on this though he and I are both full-volume BIABer's. But, we have done several hundred brews between us, probably at least double or quadruple that in truth, and I think he might feel the same as I do.

I think...

a) The porosity of grain bags differs so it is hard to compare methods.

b) The grain crush differs from brewer to brewer. One thing I will say is that the 'fine crush' (crushing your grain to flour) is ridiculous and will offer no advantages over a normal crush.

c) If you have a decent bag and a decent crush, nearly all the goodness will come out of the bag in the time between mash out and boil start.

d) If you want to stuff around, you will always do better just the same as a batch sparger can let his runnings continue to drain into the kettle throughout the entire boil.

e) BIAB's efficiency is actually excellent. Threads like this worry me a bit as thery can imply to a new brewer that efficiency needs to be improved. It doesn't.

f) I think the above might make BIAB very clumsy for very little gain. I can actually see no gain with the bag and method I use. My efficiencies are excellent and no muycking around is required.

I'm a lot more interested in how to make a brew day, or cleaning, more efficient than I am in squeezing a very dubious few percent out of my bag :lol: .

:smoke:
PP
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Post #12 made 14 years ago
joshua wrote:Good Day, I have started with 2344g of grain(dry) and after mashout and a very long,good squeeze, I end up with 1806g of damp grains. The wort is .66L less than the starting water level. so I think a very good squeeze can be importent to volume, but not much help to Efficiency. But, boilling off the extra wort WILL increase Efficiency.
Hi Joshua, you are absolutely correct in what you say.

However the same can be achieved by adding 1 or 2 extra litres of water at the start of the day and boiling it off at the end.

At the end of the day, we are all making good beer, some go about it differently to others.
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Post #13 made 14 years ago
I agree with PP. Its nice to get a little extra goodness from a bag of grain but is it worth it? It's only worth it if it's the fun of trying that your after. If you like conceiving new ways of doing things than do it. But we're brewing beer here.

For all of you that are waiting for a video from me it's in production now. It's just that it's the end of summer here and things that we put off all summer (to brew beer) are starting to come due. Football season is starting and it diverts me to drinking beer and sleeping rather than brewing. Now that all the excuses are done I will start!
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Post #14 made 14 years ago
I always feel a bit bad after I write posts like the above Bob as I know how much fun it is coming up with new ideas and contraptions. I do really enjoy it :party:.

I have an amazing collection of parts here (in my apartment :lol:) that are all left over from failed experiments but that I hang onto in the hope that they will be useful for my next bright idea :roll:. Some of them actually worked really well and have a place in certain size breweries. Other ideas I would actually like to re-visit.

Most ideas that involved more parts proved to be a very false economy though as the, 'ease of use', I envisioned was nearly always heavily outweighed by the parts being a PITA to maintain or clean. Other ideas sounded good but in reality were very messy and offered very little gain. I think the squeezing the bag thing above is one of these.

However, I hope my opinion doesn't stop anyone from trying anything new. It is always fun and in some situations, that I am quite possibly unable to see, the ideas might actually be very worthwhile.

The main thing is that if new brewers make a change and then record a miraculous improvement they should realise that one brew cannot tell you a single thing. I'll still get an occasional brew with outrageous efficiencies that I am positive I have measured correctly. (Or vice versa). It's boring having to do another two or three brews to confirm that a single change makes a difference but it is the only way. In fact, even that way is fraught with problems. Several side by side brews (which means you need two identical kettles) is often the only real way of testing many changes to your brewing procedure.

I now focus on ways to decrease labour and avoid hidden infections* as I now know worrying about complex stuff doesn't give me any better beer. A good recipe will always taste great and should get you some sort of medal if your gear is clean.

Excuse the long ramble :lol:
PP

* I spent three years trying to track down an off-flavour in my beers that I couldn't stand. A few others could taste it (maybe 10%) but most palates couldn't, just like I can't taste many faults that others can. The source of the problem ended up being faulty welds in brand new kegs I had bought. They have just sent me eight replacements and the design of these is even worse. They have a lap on the inside that you can slide a piece of paper up about 8 mm :argh:. How on earth can that possibly be sanitised??? I can't say that communicating with this company and resolving this is on my list of fun things to do :roll:.
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Post #15 made 14 years ago
Sorry to hear about your new kegs PP, what a PITA.

Have you considered getting a cooper to make you some nice oak barrels?
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Post #16 made 14 years ago
deebo wrote:In my mind the last bit out of the bag must be the best bit.. My names deebo and I am a squeezaholic..

I really need to find some insulated gloves though.. squeezing the hop bag at the end of the boil is a bit too hot for the dishwashing gloves.
Try to get some Blichmann brewers gloves. Thick enough that I can pick something out of the bottom of a pot o v hot wort!

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Post #17 made 14 years ago
hashie wrote:Sorry to hear about your new kegs PP, what a PITA.

Have you considered getting a cooper to make you some nice oak barrels?
LOL! Fingers crossed they get this sorted quickly - took them eight weeks to give me the replacements :roll:.
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