Hi Guys,
Finally bought myself a crown urn and I am gathering my supplies for a Black IPA however the recipe calls for 28g of summit at the 60min (the rest of the hops are chinook, centennial and cascade) my local store does not stock summit and I know craftbrewer does have them in stock but don't want to drive 60min in this rain for one packet of hops!
My choices are Stella, columbus or Magnum - What would be a good replacement
Nathan
Post #2 made 12 years ago
Hi Natdene,
You probably need practical experience from someone, but for now from BeerSmith:
Summit: High alpha variety bred by American Dwarf Hop Assoc. Can be grown commercially on a low trellis.
Aroma: Strong citrus, grapefruit notes.
Substitutes: Warrior, Millenium, Columbus, Tomahawk, Zeus
I usually order hops online. Better selection and I think fresher.
Joshua posted some good links:
You probably need practical experience from someone, but for now from BeerSmith:
Summit: High alpha variety bred by American Dwarf Hop Assoc. Can be grown commercially on a low trellis.
Aroma: Strong citrus, grapefruit notes.
Substitutes: Warrior, Millenium, Columbus, Tomahawk, Zeus
I usually order hops online. Better selection and I think fresher.
Joshua posted some good links:
joshua wrote:Good Day a Link copy from viewforum.php?f=88 Hop Variety Characteristics
link for 2011 Hop table....
http://www.usahops.org/userfiles/file/H ... 02011).pdf
"Now a Bump, for a really good early 2012 Hop Catalog
http://www.hopunion.com/assets/file/Var ... %20(2).pdf
here is another chart, copied from viewtopic.php?f=87&t=24 Grain Guide
http://www.onebeer.net/grainchart.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not one with Malters named, but, more complete Grain List than BeerSmith.
Last edited by GuingesRock on 25 Jan 2013, 06:19, edited 2 times in total.
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
Columbus is a direct substitute but I would use the Magnum. Magnum is a clean bittering hop and in this case the 60 minute addition is a bittering only addition which doesn't add any flavor.
I keep a stock of Magnum on hand specifically because it's a high bitter, flavor neutral hop. I use it for bittering in almost every recipe that I don't FWH.....Magnum is cheap and I don't have to waste yummy hops like Styrians or Citra on a simple bittering charge.
---Todd
PS: I don't think it really matters what you use. The creator of that recipe changes it every time he brews it and probably doesn't even remember what he used for hops in it the last time he brewed.....
I keep a stock of Magnum on hand specifically because it's a high bitter, flavor neutral hop. I use it for bittering in almost every recipe that I don't FWH.....Magnum is cheap and I don't have to waste yummy hops like Styrians or Citra on a simple bittering charge.
---Todd
PS: I don't think it really matters what you use. The creator of that recipe changes it every time he brews it and probably doesn't even remember what he used for hops in it the last time he brewed.....
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
Thanks guys, in the end the shop didn't have much so it ended up being galaxy, chinook and cascade. Hope it turns out alright
Post #5 made 12 years ago
Here is a nice hops substitution chart. Add this to your favorites!
Comparing and Selecting Hops
http://www.byo.com/resources/hops
Comparing and Selecting Hops
http://www.byo.com/resources/hops
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Post #6 made 12 years ago
Thanks Bob, it's actually your Black IPA recipe is was going to try but the LHBS only stocks the basic hops I was stuck with the above. Next time a bit more planning and a trip to a different store and I will be set.
Post #7 made 12 years ago
Natdene,
It may taste a bit different than mine but it will taste good! It may have to mellow a bit before consuming in quantity!
I brewed it again today! With different hops and I didn't put any hops in until 40 minutes into the boil. Then every 5 minutes until flame out. I also put in shredded licorice root into the no chill container? Wish me luck on this one!
Edit: copied from Facebook
The brew is done. Added bittering hops (Columbus) "after" boiling for 40 minutes?? Added Chinook, Centennial, Zythos at 5 minute intervals and Centennial again at flame out. that's 5 ounces of hops in a 60 minute boil! I will dry hop with ?? in a couple of weeks. Thanks Point Brew Supply for all the ingredients!
It may taste a bit different than mine but it will taste good! It may have to mellow a bit before consuming in quantity!
Todd---Todd
PS: I don't think it really matters what you use. The creator of that recipe changes it every time he brews it and probably doesn't even remember what he used for hops in it the last time he brewed.....
I brewed it again today! With different hops and I didn't put any hops in until 40 minutes into the boil. Then every 5 minutes until flame out. I also put in shredded licorice root into the no chill container? Wish me luck on this one!
Edit: copied from Facebook
The brew is done. Added bittering hops (Columbus) "after" boiling for 40 minutes?? Added Chinook, Centennial, Zythos at 5 minute intervals and Centennial again at flame out. that's 5 ounces of hops in a 60 minute boil! I will dry hop with ?? in a couple of weeks. Thanks Point Brew Supply for all the ingredients!
Last edited by BobBrews on 26 Jan 2013, 07:12, edited 2 times in total.
tap 1 Raspberry wine
tap 2 Bourbon Barrel Porter
tap 3 Czech Pilsner
tap 4 Triple IPA 11% ABV
Pipeline: Mulled Cider 10% ABV
http://cheesestradamus.com/ Brewers challenge!
tap 2 Bourbon Barrel Porter
tap 3 Czech Pilsner
tap 4 Triple IPA 11% ABV
Pipeline: Mulled Cider 10% ABV
http://cheesestradamus.com/ Brewers challenge!
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
licorice! 
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Post #9 made 12 years ago
Todd,
It will be faint. I wanted this sipper to be a bit richer. The faint hint (hopefully) of the licorice root should make this beer one to remember? Hopefully remembered for a unusual beer that tasted good rather than (another one of Bob's disasters)? I doubt that I will detect the licorice root at all? I tried a bit as a chew and it bore little resemblance to a licorice stick! This is just my Black IPA with a few changes. Instead of "Peat smoked malt" I used "Oak smoked wheat"? I also delayed my bittering hops to a "Early" late hopping? Maybe I changed to many things at one time??
Wish me luck? 
licorice!
It will be faint. I wanted this sipper to be a bit richer. The faint hint (hopefully) of the licorice root should make this beer one to remember? Hopefully remembered for a unusual beer that tasted good rather than (another one of Bob's disasters)? I doubt that I will detect the licorice root at all? I tried a bit as a chew and it bore little resemblance to a licorice stick! This is just my Black IPA with a few changes. Instead of "Peat smoked malt" I used "Oak smoked wheat"? I also delayed my bittering hops to a "Early" late hopping? Maybe I changed to many things at one time??
Wish me luck?
Last edited by BobBrews on 26 Jan 2013, 21:45, edited 2 times in total.
tap 1 Raspberry wine
tap 2 Bourbon Barrel Porter
tap 3 Czech Pilsner
tap 4 Triple IPA 11% ABV
Pipeline: Mulled Cider 10% ABV
http://cheesestradamus.com/ Brewers challenge!
tap 2 Bourbon Barrel Porter
tap 3 Czech Pilsner
tap 4 Triple IPA 11% ABV
Pipeline: Mulled Cider 10% ABV
http://cheesestradamus.com/ Brewers challenge!
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Post #10 made 12 years ago
Licorice root is very pleasant, not nearly as strong as licorice rocks or the chewy stuff.
I wish they sold large electric urns in the US. Brew day would go much faster.
I wish they sold large electric urns in the US. Brew day would go much faster.
I should have thought of that.
