pH strips - usage?

Post #1 made 11 years ago
In this post http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=152&t=805 PistolPatch commented on using pH test strips
Specifically finding this type on Amazon "pH Duotest Analytical Indicator Paper Dispenser Roll of 5 Meters 3.5-6.8"
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Anyways, I ordered these strips and they came in the mail the other day.
I am just not sure how/when to use them. Obviously you put them in water, but when do you test?
before the mash? during the mash, after the mash? This goes on to adding chemicals to the water... In my case Calcium Chloride and Gypsum.

Another brilliant user on the board - Rick has previously commented on water and using a spreadsheet called Bru'n Water (https://sites.google.com/site/brunwater/) That thing blows my mind and Im not even real sure what the heck Im supposed to be looking at... :blush:

Any info or explanation on all this would be great.

As far as the water in my area
I two bits of info here, one test was done in 2012 by Ward Labs using water straight out of the tap.
The other Info I received from my actual water company in response to an email I sent them.

Also, I DO use 5 gallons of RO water in ever batch, any additional water is from the tap, but ran through a carbon filter.

If there happens to be anyone on the board from my area, I live in Newburgh, Indiana

Water test straight out of the tap through Ward Labs (USA)
December 2012

Calcium, Ca 81
Magnesium, Mg 21
Bicarbonate, HCO3 209
Sodium, Na 26
Sulfate, SO4-S 39 (SO4 - 117)
Chloride, Cl 33

Total Hardness, CaCO3 290
Total Alkalinity, CaCO3 171


I emailed my local water company the other day March 2014 and was advised

Samples collected from water being pumped from the Newburgh Water Treatment Plant

Parameter Year Sampled Sample result (mg/L)

Alkalinity 2014 180
Calcium 2014 75
Chloride 2014 29
Hardness 2014 270
Iron 2014 0.03
Magnesium 2014 19
Nitrate 2013 0.43
pH 2014 7.1
Potassium 2014 Non Detectable
Sodium 2014 25
Sulfate 2014 140

I know that brewers around here seem to add Calcium Chloride and Gypsum to a lot of their batches.
They also use at least 5 gallons of RO water and then top off with water that was ran through a carbon filter. (At least the BIAB folks do)

What are your thoughts etc on this?

Post #2 made 11 years ago
I think, pretty much everything you want to know can be answered by reading this page.

https://sites.google.com/site/brunwater/water-knowledge

He notes that paper strips are not very accurate for brewery use, but also provides what he believes are safe practices for homebrewers.

I don't even test my mash pH. I adjust my Acid malt, gypsum and CaCl, RO water % based on my tap water report toward the profile I'm trying to achieve (usually the Pale Ale Profile). Then, I cross my fingers. Folks who use pH meters regularly report that the spreadsheet is pretty accurate. Good enough for me, but if I start having issues I'd likely just buy an electronic meter.
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Post #3 made 11 years ago
blancasterb wrote:Anyways, I ordered these strips and they came in the mail the other day. I am just not sure how/when to use them. Obviously you put them in water, but when do you test? Before the mash? During the mash? After the mash?
Hey there blancasterb,

Good question and what we need to do is simplify things. The first thing to realise is that most brewers shouldn't be worrying about water for a long time if ever. WHat I am trying to say is that nearly all brewers shouldn't be worried if they know nothing about water chemistry. You can brew 90% great beers or better with 90% of tap waters I would guess.

Water chemistry is only to be worried about if your tap water has a well-known problem or if you have reached a sound knowledge of at least several other brewing aspects first.

I'll deal with a few things here but not many. In fact, I'll only address pH, as to address salts etc, you really need to do a lot of reading and there is nothing I have found written to date that makes things simple. Like most stuff in brewing literature, there is a lot of mud or complexity that is unnecessary.

1. Just concern yourself with pH first unless you know there is some major mineral problem in your area.

2. The pH strips you have bought are fine and give a far more stable reading than my pH meter. The Bru'n Water site reports a problem on pH strips. They could be parroting one small and very uncontrolled experiment reported elsewhere by one home brewer. Who would know? What I have never seen written before is that there are two types of pH strips and the ones I linked above are more suitable for wort. Other types of strips are more suited for measuring other liquids such as urine.

Regardless, a pH meter is going to be less reliable for you when starting out. A crappy pH meter is going to be far less useful to you than the strips I gave above. I have just dipped these into the hot wort and am pretty sure that I have done the same with the wort that has cooled and come up with the same reading. Anyway, don't trust me, do the experiment yourself and report back please.

....

I really can't spend too much time on a subject that is really of no benefit to most readers. All I'll say for now though is, in BIAB (pure, full-volume BIAB), you have a big advantage when it comes to water adjustment as you can just adjust the full volume of water and the addition of grain has very little effect.

So there's your first hint blancasterb. Adjust your full volume of water to say about 5.5 pH using an appropriate acid (even white vinegar will do in many waters. Add it drop by drop using a syringe from your pharmacist.) Later when you get a feel, maybe use acidulated malt. Once you add your grain, the pH above should drop a little into a safe place.

I think that last paragraph of info would take you about a month's reading to find elsewhere so I hope that is enough to get you started ;).

:peace:
PP
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Post #4 made 11 years ago
What PP say and I'd like to add that your mash pH is the only thing initially to consider, please note I didn't say worry about :)

Take a sample after about 15 minutes let it cool and take a reading. It should be between about 5.4 and 5.6 at about 20c

If after taking notes on about 4 or 5 brews the pH is consistently high we can give you some practical steps to take.

I have pretty terrible water so I mix RO water/Town water and balance with salts but Town water on its own still makes good beer. Even before I started doing full volume mashes I always treated the entire water so BIAB has a great advantage because you know the amount of water needed for the entire brewday.

Steve
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