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Post #26 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
mally wrote:As Adam said, maybe the brewers recipe is the correct one? However, at the beginning of that podcast he also joked about not being willing to give away too much info, so who knows if he is throwing any oddballs out?
At the beginning of the podcast there is a discussion with Tasty about increasing mouth feel by increasing the amount of Crystal malt. :think: :think: I'll have to listen to it again to be sure.

My point is that its easy to adjust a recipe ever so slightly to give slightly different results. perhaps the head brewers curve ball was to alter the crystal addition and be coy with the hop bill. :scratch:

As to the yeast !! I think I'll do a bit of searching tonight and see if I can come up with some suggestions.

Catch you all later.

Yeasty
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Post #28 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
I'm going with MO as I have 1/2 a sack to use !! I don't think it will make that much difference, besides I think if we have a mix of brews with different base malts we might get close !!

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Post #30 made 11 years ago
by Yettiman
Just to let everyone know, I might not be on for the next two weeks, at least not regularly, but will try to keep up with thread if I can.

Do we have a time scale to make a start
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Post #31 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
When's the Easter holidays ? Might be a good time to all try out our recipes and get something into bottles.

foot note:
My local Lidil has HG has 1.49/bottle if you think some testing of the original might help.
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Post #32 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
Yeasty wrote:t the beginning of the podcast there is a discussion with Tasty about increasing mouth feel by increasing the amount of Crystal malt. :think: :think: I'll have to listen to it again to be sure.
Correction: Not mouth feel but BODY!! its at about 4:00 if you want to listen.
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Post #34 made 11 years ago
by mally
I actually sampled the bottled HG a few days ago, and must say I didn't care for it much :|
I have always been used to the cask version, which seems totally different.

The bottled version had a taste similar to the Old Speckled Hen clone I bottled a few months back. This was my first time using Nottingham yeast so I am currently blaming that for the flavours I don't like. Could be a poorly handled bottle so will have to try my local LIDL to be sure.
If it is meant to taste like that, then I would definitely recommend Nottingham for the ferment.
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Post #35 made 11 years ago
by Adman1966
I have also just tried a bottle of HG and found it a little disappointing :| I find that I prefer my version which on reflection can't be that close to the original.

A target date of Easter weekend for a collaborative brew sounds good to me, we just need to either work on the recipe so that we all brew the same, or decide our own recipes and then compare the results.
Either will be interesting but we might learn more from more recipes?

I am also getting some PET bottles so that I can get some of my current batch sent out for review. Watch this space.....
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Post #36 made 11 years ago
by mally
Brilliant Adam, your beer was better, but looks like we are all going to clone something we don't like much :lol:
Yeasty wrote:foot note:
My local Lidil has HG has 1.49/bottle if you think some testing of the original might help.
Just picked up 3 bottles tonight, don't know whether it is regional or not but they had 3 for £3.99!
At least I will get to try a few more to be sure I don't like it!
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I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #37 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
mally wrote: looks like we are all going to clone something we don't like much :lol:
:idiot: :lol: :lol:

I suppose we should have picked a beer we all like :lol: :lol:

HG isn't what it used to be, perhaps it changed when Marstons and the bean counters got involved. It will do for our first bottle swap though :sneak: . I'm sure we will come up with a good brew and this isn't all about getting a good clone, its about learning and becoming a better brewers.

I'm off to the lakes this weekend and there are a couple of pubs up there that serve HG cask. I'll have to see how it compares to the bottle. :drink: :drink: :party:

:peace:

Yeasty
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Post #38 made 11 years ago
by mally
I am sure whatever we brew would be better than bottled anyway.

If we are all still planning on brew-day around Easter weekend (19th/20th April), I will be away that week but can do either the week before or after.
G B
I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #39 made 11 years ago
by Yettiman
I agree, it us all about ending up with brew we like. I realise we might have differing tastes but as we like HG it should mean that we have good chance at arriving at a brew we all like.

I still quite like the bottled version, but I have not tried the cask, so cannot comment. For me this is a learning exercise, How differing brew set up can effect the same recipe, Learning from more experienced brewers on how to tweak a recipe, Working with BIABacus and of couse Drinking some good beer with friends.

I have not found the bottled stuff sour, slightly thinner than my attempts at cloning it, but still very drinkable.

I am away at the mo, but will be picking up some PETs when I get back.

Happy to go with any one or multible recipes to kick it off, but my thoughts are we start with one, and see how much it differs between our brew set up / techniques, to try and eliminate some of the variables. Then once we have a base recipe we like. we can start the modifications. Each of us tweaking one aspect, to get feed back from the group.

Just my thoughts.

Sorry for the bullet point style reply, very early, have not had my morning Java and woken up yet.

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Post #40 made 11 years ago
by mally
Yettiman wrote:Looking out on a Sicilian mountainscape - life is rough sometimes
Well thanks very much for that Yettiman!
mally wrote:I actually sampled the bottled HG a few days ago, and must say I didn't care for it much :|
I will rescind that comment now, it must have been a bad bottle. The Lidl ones were much better. :thumbs:

I suppose there are still some areas to finalise at the moment, and maybe we should take a poll to decide the best way forward?
My preferences are as follows;

Q1) Same recipe, or making our own clone?
A1) Same

Q2) Which recipe?
A2) Brewing network (jamil).

Q3) Brew at the same time, or when is suitable to brewer?
A3) Same time (Though I cannot do Easter Weekend).

Q4) Date?
A4) April 26th

Q5) How many bottles to send to each brewer?
A5) 2 each. (My thoughts here are that we may find some beers get into condition before others). We could have a "same day" taste session for one of the bottles, and then the last bottle can be tasted when the brewer indicates it is in best condition. Mine seem to take about 6 months before they get to peak. :scratch:

The only problem I can think of at the moment with the same day taste session is if we get more people on board! :drink: :drink: :dream: :!:

If anybody can think of any more questions to add to the poll lets get them sorted (we only have about a month or so to get this organised).
My answers above are just a preference, if we need to change any of them it is no big deal, I just thought it would be better to try and nail some things down before it gets too late.
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I spent lots of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I squandered
I've stopped drinking, but only when I'm asleep
I ONCE gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life
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Post #41 made 11 years ago
by Yettiman
Q1) Same recipe, or making our own clone?
A1) Same
A2) Same - Yetti

Q2) Which recipe?
A2) Brewing network (jamil).
A2) Jamil - Yetti

Q3) Brew at the same time, or when is suitable to brewer?
A3) Same time (Though I cannot do Easter Weekend).
A3) - Same time - Yetti

Q4) Date?
A4) April 26th
A4) April 26th - Yetti

Q5) How many bottles to send to each brewer?
A5) 2 each. (My thoughts here are that we may find some beers get into condition before others). We could have a "same day" taste session for one of the bottles, and then the last bottle can be tasted when the brewer indicates it is in best condition. Mine seem to take about 6 months before they get to peak.

A5) - Agree but we need to limit the number of people each person sends to, ad it it wpget expensive very fast.

If too many, then we could spread the mix so as to get better feedback.

A sends to B,C & D
B sends to D,E & F
C sends to A,B & D

Sort of thing, so every grouping has at least one beer that is in every other group, to try and limit personal preference biasing. There are formulas we can use to maximise the mix once we know how many are taking part.

Just my thought
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Post #42 made 11 years ago
by Adman1966
Here are the votes from the Skelmersdale panel.....

A1 - Same
A2 - Jamil
A3 - Same time (day)
A4 - 26th is good for me
A5 - 2 each among the original 4. As pointed out, this can be revisited if/when more brewers get involved.

I'm resampling the bottled HG this evening to see if it was just my tastebuds playing up last time.

Yeasty, how did the cask version compare? Are they similar or was it like a completely different beer? Oh, and did you have a good break? (Should have asked that first! :blush: )
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Post #43 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
A1 - Same
A2 - Jamil (gotta start somewhere)
A3 - Same time (day) ish !!
A4 - 26th is good or anytime over the easter weekend
A5 - 2 each among the original 4.
Adman1966 wrote:Yeasty, how did the cask version compare? Are they similar or was it like a completely different beer? Oh, and did you have a good break? (Should have asked that first! :blush: )
I'll answer in reverse order. :lol:

The weekend was great :party: nice cottage, good weather, plenty to drink and eat..Wigan beating city :thumbs: Sunderland losing to Hull :lol: .

As for the cask Hobgoblin I never got any. :idiot: the only pub I drank in that should have served it had a wychwood porter on instead. Which I must say went down very well. :drink:
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Post #44 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
Here is a linky to White labs Burton Ale Yeast

There are lots of reviews that make interesting reading.

I'm thinking of ordering a vial an making some slants, any of you guys into yeast propagation :?:

:shoot:

Yeasty
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Post #45 made 11 years ago
by Adman1966
Yeast propagation? Not yet. I've done a lot of reading and thought about it but I'm still using dried yeast!

I brew in my purpose built brewery (a shed) but the "architect" didn't realise just how much space I wanted to expand into. :nup: I don't yet have the space either in the house or the current brewery to create the sterile-ish area required.

Having said that "Brewery 2" (a second, larger shed) arrives at the beginning of April so I can put more mini-projects into action. :party: The first of which is kitting out the new brewery ready for action.

Are we looking toward the Burton Ale yeast for our experiment? If so I'll re-read up on yeast handling.
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Post #46 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
I might be making things complicated here :blush: and drifting away from the original concept. I'd say it should be brewers choice on yeast selection. That way we will have some variables and it will be easier for people who haven't got the facility to bulk up a slant or who would prefer to use dried.

Lets now all talk about water adjustments :argh: :argh: :headhit: :lol: :lol: :lol: only kidding. Brewers choice again I reckon.

:peace:

Yeasty
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Post #47 made 11 years ago
by Adman1966
I recommend adjusting the water to 100 degrees C for 90 mins after the mash is complete! :lol:

Seriously, as our water will all be different I don't see a common, 1 size fits all adjustment. I'll do my usual tinkering.
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Post #48 made 11 years ago
by Yeasty
Adman1966 wrote:I recommend adjusting the water to 100 degrees C for 90 mins after the mash is complete! :lol:

Seriously, as our water will all be different I don't see a common, 1 size fits all adjustment. I'll do my usual tinkering.
Our raw water will be the same I would think Ad. UU do a good report.
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Post #49 made 11 years ago
by Yettiman
Hi,

I am happy to follow a common recipe, but have never managed to get a liquid yeast to work for me, and water adjustments are not really possible at the mo.

Sorry chaps
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Post #50 made 11 years ago
by chiller
Hi Guys, I've enjoyed reading this thread. A friend here in Adelaide spent time working in the UK and one of his favourite beers was HG. We both heard the podcast with the brewer and brewed a batch each. I had never tasted HG so I just made the recipe as per the brewer instructions. We both made the same recipe, hops etc but used different yeast. He used the Burton Ale yeast and I use London 3.

Both beers were nice to drink but as the only comparison was a bottle shop bottle which was pretty awful we agreed we didn't have the skills to clone all the faults :)

I also brewed a version with Nottingham fermented at 17c mashed at 68c. I thought that had a nice charcter.

As my friend couldn't adjust his water we both brewed with town supply. Do any of you live near the brewery to possibly score some genuine yeast?

Best of luck and it will be interesting to hear the comparisons and differences.

Steve
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