Second BIAB.

Post #1 made 11 years ago
Hi guys,

Second BIAB today, I'm doing a Pacific Ale clone, I got the recipe from AHB, tried to convert it into BIABacus, got part way there and Pat helped with the rest, thanks Pat.

I've increased the VIF to 41 litres, which should fill two kegs nicely, going by the volume into packaging figures in BIABacus.

This brew is going really well, I'm using a whiteboard to record bits n pieces, bugger just looked at the time, time to mashout, will update more later! :salute:
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Post #2 made 11 years ago
Mashing in...
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Post #3 made 11 years ago
The recipe called for some 10 minute and some zero minute hops additions, after a lot of reading I'm doing zero hops in the boil (crazy maybe..), instead I'm cube hopping, so two cubes will have different hops, one with galaxy and one with simcoe.. More to follow later, have to check temp..
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Post #4 made 11 years ago
So I'll whirlpool, let the trub settle, then transfer to no chill cubes. I'll record the time after the end of the boil and temperature when transferred to cubes so I can replicate it again. Seems like I'll still get some bitterness but mainly flavour and aroma which is what I'm chasing in this beer.

I'll have two brews basically for the price of one, one galaxy ale and one simcoe ale, using the same hop calculations as on BIABacus, just different times. Will see how it goes and what I think of each hop, after keg hopping for the first time this week, I'll definitely keg hop again, will keg hop both beers with 1g per litre and post the results.
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Post #5 made 11 years ago
The next time I'll do the brew I'll do the hop additions as per the BIABacus recipe and compare, I've been reading a lot of info about the cube hopping, so I'm just really curious to see how this turns out.

I spilt a little bit of sweet liquor when removing the bag, as a bonus though, a colander upside down in a bucket worked really well for draining the bag, I lightly pushed on the bag with my hand in a plastic jug, worked a charm (saw that somewhere, not my idea).

One of my dogs loved the sweet liquor (non-alcoholic for any non-brewers reading this), here she is going for gold while my other dog keeps a wary eye on proceedings, he doesn't trust the noisy burner.
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Post #6 made 11 years ago
To save time for the next time I brew this, I measured down from the top of the pot (thanks Pat), so next time I can just "filler up"; also measured and marked an old FV with the 15L pre-boil water addition for this particular brew.

At 42L VIF, I wouldn't want to do much more, the VIB with the water additions was pretty full! Nice to know this now though, it gave a healthy-ish amount of room for the boil still, without freaking me out too much. No boil over so that's a win.

I also debuted a filter today for my hose, I saw it somewhere on the web, it's supposed to be for an RV or caravan, it worked beautifully and is good for 5000 litres allegedly. The water from it (after 3 minutes of flushing) tasted crystal clear and better than the tap water here. $22 or something like that from fleabay.
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Post #7 made 11 years ago
Well the brew is done, the no chill cubes are outside slowly doing their thing, I pitched into them at 91.1C.

I also made some dog buiscuits with the spent grain, recipe found on the web, see how they go, the dogs were loitering around me all day today, it must have smelled amazing.

I put roughly half the spent grain into small freezer bags and into the freezer, ready to thaw and make extra buiscuits anytime, if they are a hit I'll start keeping all of the used grain as the biscuits were super easy to make and bake.
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Post #8 made 11 years ago
The results are in, the dogs loved the biscuits and wanted seconds, it's probably not saying too much though as they adore cat crap too.

This is the second and also last brew I'll do without a paint-stirrer, after watching Beachbum do a mash-in on Youtube I'm sold on the idea.

I used Bobs (I think from memory) method for the kettle tap and flushed liberally with boiling, then sanitised, seems simple but it's another handy trick.

Approx five hours after pitching into the cubes and they are still very warm, so I can see why no-chill cube additions should work well... I'll ferment them both tomorrow, a bonus of having the jerry shaped cubes is I can ferment two side by side, I'm fermenting in the cubes after reading an article on AHB and some good press from people that have tried it.
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Post #9 made 11 years ago
Nice commentary Nicko.

Just thought I would say something as nobody else has acknowledged yet!

BTW - Be careful you don't leave any hops in your spent grain. You may already know but just have a read of this.
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Post #10 made 11 years ago
mally wrote:Nice commentary Nicko.

Just thought I would say something as nobody else has acknowledged yet!

BTW - Be careful you don't leave any hops in your spent grain. You may already know but just have a read of this.
Hi Mally, yeah I saw that post, pretty scary stuff! That's why I made buiscuits from this batch, zero hops in the boil at all, only cube hopped. Thanks for checking though mate!
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Post #11 made 11 years ago
Working backwards through active topics here, you are first cab off the rank Nicko. Great post and pics and the only two corrections I can see are the warning on Dog Biscuits which mally has already corrected and the correct attribution of who first came up with the 'paint stirrer'/'mash paddle'.

Let's pretend it was me (which it was, 7/8 years ago), my question is why has it taken you so long to find that info? I can't believe people are still using spoons and paddles.

:scratch: :think: :scratch:,
PP


P.S. Lots more to comment on in this thread but am out of time. All I can say is great job Nick :salute: .
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Post #12 made 11 years ago
PistolPatch wrote:Working backwards through active topics here, you are first cab off the rank Nicko. Great post and pics and the only two corrections I can see are the warning on Dog Biscuits which mally has already corrected and the correct attribution of who first came up with the 'paint stirrer'/'mash paddle'.

Let's pretend it was me (which it was, 7/8 years ago), my question is why has it taken you so long to find that info? I can't believe people are still using spoons and paddles.

:scratch: :think: :scratch:,
PP


P.S. Lots more to comment on in this thread but am out of time. All I can say is great job Nick :salute: .
Haha, I'm glad you didn't comment too much this time Pat, I'm waiting for you to tell me off for cube hopping! I did a lot of reading into it though, and I'm chasing an easy session beer with low(ish) bitterness, so see how this one goes and I'll definitely share the results. I know that IBUs will be harder to estimate, but I found a calculation somewhere that I'll find and share sometime. I know some think cube hopping is from the devil, but there's a lot of converts it seems...so I'll suck it and see, then Do the next batch as per the BIABacus hop additions times and compare my thoughts on both brews. Hmmm I almost need a second kettle so I could brew them both at the same time :peace: :thumbs:

I had a listen to some good hop podcasts from that brewing info site, just need to listen to the John Palmer podcast next.

I didn't know it was you sorry mate, sometimes it's hard to find info on here, so I'm tempted to do a post with nothing but useful links from this site and others, things I've found that have helped me and things that the more experienced guys have recommended that have made brewing easier etc.
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Post #15 made 11 years ago
Waiting to see some krausen goodness in the cubes, it feels strange fermenting in them initially and just have the lid backed off a bit to release co2; I guess this will quickly become just another normal brewing technique to me, like putting a huge bag in a huge pot ;)

Note: cubes in brew fridge for temp control as it gets pretty hot up here in FNQ (Far North Queensland, for any non-Aussies).
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Post #16 made 11 years ago
Krausen krausen krausen, we really love our krausen, puts nice smells in my house-en (ok I'm obviously very tired lol). Cleaned with starsan etc.
:party:

There are two cubes that vomited krausen in my brew fridge, but two photos of the same thing wouldn't be very interesting.

Oh on a SAD, SAD note, my keg of nelson summer ale emptied tonight... Devastated.. Last few glasses in particular were great, I need more kegs!
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Post #17 made 11 years ago
Nicko,

Your in the swing of BIABing! Keep 'up' the good work and 'down' the beer while resting!
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Post #19 made 11 years ago
nicko wrote:
Lumpy5oh wrote:http://biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2396

Like this one Nicko? :P
Absolutely! I find this site a bit hard to navigate sometimes, I will read that thread to death tomorrow, thanks! :clap: :salute:

How much vanilla is in your stout and how does it taste?
I put 2 vanilla beans and 2oz of oak cubes into the fermenter. It tastes pretty decent. I think next time I'll try 3 beans and 1oz oak. I think the vanilla added a smoothness but not a lot of flavor.
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Post #20 made 11 years ago
Lumpy5oh wrote:
nicko wrote:
Lumpy5oh wrote:http://biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2396

Like this one Nicko? :P
Absolutely! I find this site a bit hard to navigate sometimes, I will read that thread to death tomorrow, thanks! :clap: :salute:

How much vanilla is in your stout and how does it taste?
I put 2 vanilla beans and 2oz of oak cubes into the fermenter. It tastes pretty decent. I think next time I'll try 3 beans and 1oz oak. I think the vanilla added a smoothness but not a lot of flavor.
Cool thanks mate, I've seen a vanilla concentrate for cake making, but that could possibly be too pungent as I find it smells pretty full on and a bit synthetic compared to the real deal...
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Post #21 made 11 years ago
Well the smell is escaping from my brew fridge and with all the aroma hops it smells amazing! :yum:

I think it's a week until I can keg? Not sure, I'd better check ye olde BIABacus... But I can't wait to see what these are like!
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Post #22 made 11 years ago
I better make this the last post for now but Nick, I'm wondering what made you decide on fermenting in the cube? There are some advantages and some disadvantages and I just want to make sure that you are aware of these.

Been enjoying the reads :peace:.
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Post #23 made 11 years ago
PistolPatch wrote:I better make this the last post for now but Nick, I'm wondering what made you decide on fermenting in the cube? There are some advantages and some disadvantages and I just want to make sure that you are aware of these.

Been enjoying the reads :peace:.
Hi Pat,

I read a heap on cube hopping pros and cons, I mainly did this so I could try two completely different hops in the one recipe, from one brew day and fill two kegs. Next time I'll follow the exact BIABacus recipe with whatever my favourite hop of the two is and I'm keen to taste the difference in both methods, should be fun.

I'll post the results (despite my fairly amateurish palate). :peace:
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Post #24 made 11 years ago
These cubes were ready to keg/bottle on Friday night but I didn't have the time, so I cc them, I have one empty keg so my biggest decision is which one will be kegged..maybe the Galaxy version.. The other will get bottled for 'possibly' longer term storage lol. I will try and leave these to mature for a month, my first BIAB is a month or possibly more old and has cleared up nicely (not that clear beer is critical to me), and the bitterness is now bang on I think, and the flavours all blend beautifully now...
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Post #25 made 11 years ago
High-five Pat, high-five everyone else and high-five Daemon from AHB (recipe creator), I finally kegged one of the cubes tonight (Simcoe) and had a small taste glass with SHMBO..as you do.. :drink: well I can absolutely see why this is a haus ale for some aussie home brewers, what an easy to drink and very tasty brew, the NC and all hops in the cube trial was a success, next brew though I'm doing this again with the recommended addition times, comparing the difference and will let you know. I'm CC the other cube and will try to put away the summer ale over the next couple weeks and put the galaxy version (the original recipe hops) into a keg, bottling is overrated! I did bottle three tallies, so about 19L into the keg and 2L into bottles, very happy with that!

Oh we high-fived in the kitchen during the tasting with my wife saying she preferred it to the little creatures PA. In fairness to LC, the six pack was probably on the shelf for quite sometime, but I absolutely agree with SWMBO..excellent brew and definitely going into my local folk festival comp in October!
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