Frist brew, anything but perfect

Post #1 made 12 years ago
So, the first brew ever, a biab Kilkenny clone.

Me and my friend started with a cup of coffe saturday morning, and for the 115 th time reading the BIABacus spreadsheet that PistolPatch provided us with.



We weighed in the grains and fired up the electric urn. The mash temperature we wanted was 68 c, we heated the water to about 72 because the grains were a bit cooler than 20 (approximately 17), when we had stirred out the grains we took a temperature reading and found out that we were a bit high on the temp. We held about 70 degrees c. We checked the temp every 15 minutes and after 30 minutes the temperature had reached 68 and we did put a blanket around the urn to isolate it a bit more. The temperature didn’t drop any more during the (90 min) mash.

After the mashing stage we lifted the bag out and drained it over the wort whilst bringing it to a boil. We moved the bag to the fermentor bucket and added some more water, squeezed the bag a bit to get the remaining sugar out of the grains. When the wort started to boil we added it to the boiling wort. And added the hops.

The pre boil gravity was about 1.040 at 20c.

The boil wasn’t as heavy as expected but I think/hope that it was enough.

So, another cup of coffe and some time to entertain the 2-year old daughter at home. When the wort had boiled for about one hour we thought we´d connect the chiller to the faucet, we had bought a converter as we knew that it wouldn’t fit out of the box. When we had mounted it correctly we tested to run some water through it and discovered that it was a leak in the stainless steel tubing. The time were quickly running and we had to add the Irish moss at the same time as we tried to “McGyver” the Inversion chiller, we didn’t succeed doing that, so we had to manage without the chiller.

As this was our first brew, we have no idea what to do when things go wrong, all the reading and youtubing we´ve done was on perfect brewing, were nothing goes wrong. We had to wing it from here.

So, as we´ve heard the wort should be cooled as quickly as possible. We decided to move the hot wort to the (sanitized) fermentor bucket and put it outside in the snow (about -5 c outside), after about one hour the temperature had set to 55 c. Time was unfortunately running short so we had to abort the chilling process and leave the wort to chill overnight in a room that held about 17 degrees.

When I arrived back home after ~20 hours the wort was about 19 degrees and I raised the temperature in the room to reach pitching temp (21). This morning (after ~20 hours) the wort held 20,5 degrees and I couldn’t wait any longer, I took a gravity reading and shook the fermentor bucket and added the yeast. Left for work and now I can’t wait to get home to see if the fermenting process has started.

When took the OG-sample there was quite a bit of foaming on top, so I couldn´t read the scale, I used a folding rule to measure the foam and applied the difference to the hydrometer. It seems to have an OG of 1.058, expected OG was 1.054. There is 16 liters of wort in the bucket, just as expected.

So, how bad is this? Is there any chance that it will be drinkable or should we just pour it out and start over?

The beer that supposed to be a Kilkenny quickly became a Murphy´s (Murphy´s law) ;)
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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

Post #2 made 12 years ago
good post Joco, Congratulations :thumbs:

I have heard of some first brew horror stories (I think PP had a link to them somewhere), so you have done really well.

I would not recommend you ditch it. :nup:
There are many who leave the wort in the kettle and pitch the next day with no problems. I guess if you were constantly exposing the wort (removing the lid) and dipping into it (taking samples/hydrometer readings), then there is a greater risk of contamination. but in all likelihood it will be fine, you just need to see how it ferments out.

Did you pitch dry or liquid yeast? Which type? This should give an indication of how well the fermentation is.
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
Thanks Mally,

The yeast was a tube of white labs wlp002 (irish ale). We didn't do anything to the yeast prior to pitching it, shook the room temperatured tube and poured it in.

I'll guess we keep it and see what happens :-)

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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

Post #4 made 12 years ago
You’ve done your research and looks like you know your stuff.

Transferring hot wort can cause a bit of oxidation which might cause off flavours, but maybe you were careful or used a tube, or maybe it will be fine any way. http://www.northernbrewer.com/connect/2 ... f-flavors/

I did lots of test batches by putting them out in the snow to cool or leaving overnight before pitching and they were all good. I like to test the boundaries with my test batches. It’s amazing what you can get away with. My mother recently told me how she made beer, back in the day, and it would scare the living daylights out of people if I posted it :argh: Her beer was famous!

I think you’ll love your beer. Whatever happens it will be better than 98% of the available commercial beers. Report back when you’ve had a few please :drink: :drink: :lol:

Fantastic pictorial post! I enjoyed reading it and looking at the pictures.
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
Great job, nice recovery from disaster, and way to think on your feet. I predict that your beer will turn out excellent and be the best beer you have ever tasted. Relax and start thinking about what you are going to brew next!

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Post #6 made 12 years ago
Well dont Joco

You definitely overshot on the mash in temperature. You shouldn't need to get the strike water any higher than about 69 degrees, Other than that, they're all just small problems and you'll have it sorted next time. Maybe read up on no chilling, it saves the trouble of cooling the wort down straight away.

I did over 20 brew days last year and then last weekend I still managed to burn my hand, chest & leg with hot wort by being lazy/ impatient. I still have blisters on my thumb, but thats all part of the fun.

Post #7 made 12 years ago
Thought I'd posted here already. Must have hit wrong button :roll:. Here's what I wrote before Joco...

Congratulations, everything's fine. All you did was a no-chill, unplanned though it was :P.

On the next brew, use the strike temperature recommended in the BIABacus as it is set on a low default to prevent you striking too high.

If you want a laugh on a brew day gone wrong, read this post.

You have nothing to worry about and I think you have done a great job. Good on you.
:thumbs:
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
Joco,

Brewing is a forgiving hobby. I have had brews in which I have made major blunders even though I was very experienced. Yes, I even dumped a few! No problems are new! We are all guilty. Your beer will be good! :peace:
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Post #9 made 12 years ago
Thanks a lot for all your encouraging words, lets hope that you all wr right and it will be a fine brew after all :-)

The fermentation has begun and I measured the OG to 1.053, pretty close to the est of 1.054.

I'll keep you posted when I mess up the bottling! ;-)
Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Post #10 made 12 years ago
So... Haven't updated this thread as promised. Bottling was a success, no mishaps what so ever.

When fermentation was over I calculated an abv of 4.9%

I think I was overly careful with the sanitation of the bottles.

Firstly I soaked them in water and chlorine for about one hour. Then I peeled of the labels, rinsed each bottle 3 times and ran them in the dishwasher. After that I'd put some tin foil around the opening and let the bottles sit in the oven for a couple of hours.



I bottled with a bottling cane connected to the fermentorbuckets tap. I primed each bottle with a sugar rock (2.1 g) and capped the bottle with a hand held capper.

I got about 24 bottles :-)

So, now the bottles have been primed, capped and rested for 4 weeks and I cant wait to get a taste. Unfortunately I'm way to loyal to my assistant brewer so I'm waiting until he comes over when we manage to get our schedules together.
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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

Post #12 made 12 years ago
Great follow up Joco.

Thats some serious prep of your bottles!

Let us know how it tastes when you get around to it.
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Post #13 made 12 years ago
Since my brewbuddy and I cant seem to find a date to brew together I couldn't just wait, I just had to brew!!

I prepped up with my new brewbuddy and prepared for the Dry Stout that p.p scaled for me in the "scale this recipe" thread.


We mashed the grains for 90 minutes and the dunk sparged about 6 litres whilst bringing the wort to a boil. My fellow brewer went to bed and I was by my self from now.


Since our inversionchiller is on repair due to the leakage, I've planned for a no chill brew and therefore delaying the hopbill for 20 minutes.

When the 90 minute boil was over, I tried to create a whirlpool and then I'd put the lid on, waiting for the wort to cool down.

After about 24 hours the temperature held 25 c and I transferred the wort to the fermentor bucket.


Then I pitched the yeast and shook the bucket and went to bed.
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This morning (after about 6 hours) the fermentation had not begun, I'll be home again to watch the bucket in about 8 hours, hopping there's bubbles in the tube!
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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Post #14 made 12 years ago
Ok, it seems as I'm having difficulties uploading multiple pictures, so I'll spam this thread with some pictures.
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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

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Post #19 made 12 years ago
I do realise that some of these photos are turned the wrong way, but I cant seem to fix it in tapatalk from my phone, so I guess you'll have to turn your screen 45 degrees. :grin:
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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

Post #20 made 12 years ago
Great job Joco,

Keep us updated on your first tasting? Like I said before. Beer is very forgiving. A beer that might seem as a failure may be very good after a month or two? So (IF) you ever have a disappointing brew don't fret. Just wait. I congratulate you on your first success!
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Post #21 made 12 years ago
It's been a couple of nervous days, the fermentation were slow to get started, I thought I'd killed the yeast by having it in room temperature to long (I didn't know that I had to keep it chilled initially).

But now after 48 hours it bubbles quite alot from the tube.

I had planned to harvest some yeast for another brew, is that a bad idea since this one wasn't in the best shape, or would you now call it recovered?
Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

Post #23 made 12 years ago
Joco wrote:
I had planned to harvest some yeast for another brew, is that a bad idea since this one wasn't in the best shape, or would you now call it recovered?
Reusing yeast is not a problem even if you had a sluggish start. If you had a fast vigorous fermentation your yeast may have been a bit stressed so maybe your ahead of the game? I don't wash yeast or any of the fancy stuff some people do. I just dump fresh aerated wort into a recently emptied bucket. The yeast cake should be fine for most beers but not all? :think:
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Post #24 made 12 years ago
Thanks Bob, I'll will concider dumping a new brew directly on to the old cake. Just have to figure out a brew that would suit. I was actually planning to brew your black ipa next, how do you think a irish yeast would fit? I guess you used an American yeast?

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Bottled: Ruabeoir, Dry Stout, American amber, Green Bullet/Vienna SMaSH, Black Bear IPA.
Fermenting: Empty (!)
Planned: Dodeca, Laphroaig oak ale.

Post #25 made 12 years ago
Joco wrote:Thanks Bob, I'll will consider dumping a new brew directly on to the old cake. Just have to figure out a brew that would suit. I was actually planning to brew your black ipa next, how do you think a Irish yeast would fit? I guess you used an American yeast?
Joco,

Normally I use WYeast 1056 American Ale™ or WYeast 1272 American Ale II™

I prefer 1272 because it's Fruitier and more flocculant than 1056, slightly nutty, soft, clean, slightly tart finish.

WYeast 1084 Irish Ale™ is decribed as Slight residual diacetyl and fruitiness; great for stouts. Clean, smooth, soft and full-bodied.

It can be used and it may be a surprisingly interesting version on a Black IPA? When you reuse a yeast cake it's best to plan in advance on what beers to start with and finish. Light to dark and low gravity to high. Some people have a 4 or 5 brews all mapped out in order to reuse the yeast in perfect fashion. I just follow my nose and try to stick with light to dark.

Good luck with my black IPA! :luck:
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