Problem with final gravity.

Post #1 made 12 years ago
Hi guys!
Two weeks ago I brewed an IPA, that was my first brew, after 7 days I had transferred the splitted worth in the secondary fermentor,
the first one whit notthingam yeast went fine after 2 week the FG was 1,013 (OG 1,058)
the second with S-04 after the first week (1,020) the fermentation seems stuck yesterday (after 2 week) was 1,018 so I decided to wait one week more before bottling, I need to reach 1,014/1,015 to pakaging the beer... :pray:

what I have to do? just wait or put more yesat? :scratch: :think:

thanks for any advice!

Post #2 made 12 years ago
What temp is it fermenting at tota?
If it gets too low the yeast may drop out of suspension. Commonly a lot of people advise giving the fermenter a gentle swirl to get the yeast back into suspension and kick it off again. This I would recommend picking up the fermenter and gently swirling the beer rather than opening it up and stirring with a spoon/ paddle.

Post #3 made 12 years ago
The temp was 18/20 during the day, but in the night was lower, maybe even reached 10°/12°
the last week the weater are changed a lot :/
So do you tink that tomorrow I have to take the fermenter and stir gently without opening it?... I pitched the yeast 16 days ago

Post #4 made 12 years ago
Yeah mate I would give it a stir and if possible just check and see what temp its sitting at. Depending on the yeast but most ale yeasts will continue to work at 12 deg but a lot slower than in the 18 deg band. For optimal results you want that fermenter sitting at a constant temp.

Post #5 made 12 years ago
Not sure if I am reading this right, so just to clarify.

Did you brew batch # 1 and split the wort from that single batch between 2 Separate Fermenters? Then pitched one Fermenter with Nottingham and the other Fermenter with S-04?

OR

Did you Brew Batch # 1 and Pitch that with Nottingham and got to 1013.

THEN

Brew another separate batch of the same recipe and Pitch that with S-04? (Currently on 1.018)
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Post #6 made 12 years ago
Bundy. I brew batch 1 and split into 2 separate fermenter.

Dave. I know that is better fermenting a constant temperature, but I can't control the temperature in my countryard house :\ I have to find something to do that

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Post #7 made 12 years ago
Ok that wipes out my first theory of high mash temperature. (It may still have some effect on overall results mind you, but not between fermenters)

However theory #2 and let me preface this by saying I know bugger all but this might be it. :dunno:

Reading the spec sheets on Nottingham Yeast it has a high attenuation. Somewhere between 80 to 85% whereas S-04 is a more standard yeast with an attenuation of around 70 to 75%

So I'm thinking your Nottingham worked harder, converted more of the available sugars thus a lower FG. The S-04 has still done its job and is probably fully fermented but only around the 70 - 75% mark. From what I read this will give you a slightly sweeter beer than the Nottingham will. Obviously you are doing this as a bit of an experiment to see which style you prefer.

So I am learning as I type this, but there's a few formulas around to work out attenuation. Or just plug the different values into Biabacus in Section H (Attenuation) and see what it spits out in Section A. (Estimated FG)

But being the spec sheets of each yeast show at least a 10%. difference I think that may be your answer and your ferment in both is done and dusted.

(Maybe) :scratch:

Below an article from BYO that may explain it better
Attenuation:
Attenuation refers to how completely the yeast can ferment wort. If your wort’s starting gravity is 1.048 and its final gravity is 1.012, then the attenuation is calculated as (48-12)/48 = 0.75, or 75%. This value is about average. Some yeast attenuate less — in the 70-73% range — resulting in a sweeter, fuller-bodied beer. Wyeast 1968, White Labs WLP002 and Danstar Windsor are examples of low to moderate attenuating yeast. Other yeasts attenuate more — as much as 80-85% — resulting in a drier, lighter-bodied beer. Wyeast 1010, Danstar Nottingham and White Labs WLP007 are examples of highly-attenuating yeast strains.
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
Hi bundy!
so do you think it's a attenuation problem?
also doring the mash we had a We had a moment of distraction and the temperature grow untill 75° and it took us a a little lower the temperature..
peraps this is another reason, why the yeast didn't work so well, no?

Post #9 made 12 years ago
so do you think it's a attenuation problem?
I dont think it is a "Problem", each yeast has different characteristics so has fermented out differently. It is what they are supposed to do. As you have used 2 different styles of yeast you will produce 2 different outcomes on your Wort and finished Beer. So in my eyes the yeast has acted exactly as it is supposed to in each instance. Just one was designed to attenuate higher than the other.

As mentioned Nottingham is designed to eat through up to 85% of the available sugars in your wort, which will give you a dryer finish and a lower FG.
the S-04 eats through about 75% of the available sugars which will give you a different flavour outcome, something a bit sweeter than the Nottingham and a slghtly higher FG.

So both have done their job, as intended, both I am sure are good beers in their own right, they just will have their own idiosyncrasies or "style" based on the differences in the yeast you have selected.


Just a question though based on your reply above, why did you use 2 different yeasts?

Were you not expecting some difference between each batch?
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Post #10 made 12 years ago
becouse this was my firs brew, and I'm trying different yeasts, to understend this difference, the other day I brewed an APA also plitted in two different fermentor and two yeast S-05 and the BRY97, when I'll put in the secondary fermentor, I'll do the dry hopping in one of them to feel the difference....
so I did that becouse I'm studing ;)

but I didn't expected to have a FG so higt, I was thinking about some problem or error in the brew/fermenting step.
that's why I didm't bottled sunday the s04 whort...so, I'll do that this saturday.
thanks for the answers

Post #11 made 12 years ago
tota76 wrote:becouse this was my firs brew, and I'm trying different yeasts, to understend this difference, the other day I brewed an APA also plitted in two different fermentor and two yeast S-05 and the BRY97, when I'll put in the secondary fermentor,
So even with those 2 different yeasts it is likely you will get a different FG on both with the US-05 finishing a bit lower than the BRY-97
Some info I found on these (couldn't find exact Attenuation range for BRY-97 as seems some manufacturers just give a ballpark now)

BRY-97
American West Coast Ale BRY-97 D Lallemand Att: Medium 63° Very clean ale flavor.
http://www.danstaryeast.com/products/br" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... beer-yeast

Whilst US-05
Safale US-05 D Fermentis Att: High 59-72° Produces well-balanced beers with low diacetyl and clean end palate.
http://www.fermentis.com/wp-content/upl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... A_US05.pdf

On the spec sheet they list a Attenuation of 81% for the US-05 but at a guess the BRY-97 will be around 75% but I couldn't find any hard facts for you, other than "Medium"

So personally I wouldn't get too hung up on what your FG is. Once you get 3 or 4 days and no change in Gravity you should be safe to bottle.
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