Post #2 made 12 years ago
LG- you're on a "hiding to nothing" there!

Luddites will always be Luddites!

From the urban dictionary;

Luddites
1. One who fears technology (or new technology, as they seem pleased with how things currently are...why can't everything just be the same?)

2. A group led by Mr. Luddite durring the industrial revolution who beleived machines would cause workers wages to be decreased and ended up burning a number of factories in protest
A luddite generally claims things were "just fine" back in the day, and refuses to replace/update failing equipment/software/computers on the basis that they were just fine 10 years ago.
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Post #3 made 12 years ago
I don't know much about sparging, because I basically started on BIAB and know nothing else really. A lot of that discussion is lost on me, but ugh ... that forum. With some exceptions, the "hive mind" mentality is quite palpable over there.

Instead of the respect and understanding you get here, you are met with brute force and ignorance on HBT.

My desire to lurk, and occasionally post there continues to wane.

edit: I gave the pot a little stir. :D
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
laserghost, it's great to see you and others handing on the right information. Nice job ;).

That's a very typical thread though on other forums. 53 posts and just a jumble of information. Sorry, it's actually not typical. The wording of the first post allowed you and many others to recommend the BIABacus and BIABrewer.info. YOu then went on to try and pass on some finer points.

When I say it's a typical thread, what I meant was 53 posts and still the guy is not confident in the answers given because of the noisy jumble. I really don't blame the respondees. Would have any of them read this? Just such a shame to know that if that guy had asked his question here, he would have got sorted in just a few posts.

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It's always a bit distressing though when people come up with calculators that take two minutes to write (as occurred in that thread on page 5 I think) and then name them 'officially' with names such as biabcalculator.com, simplebiabcalcualtor, 'profile helper' or whatever :roll:. Some of these outrightly have stolen concepts and/or numbers that I conceived and collected over many hours and communications with the intention that they be conveyed to other brewers with integrity. The above and many more, lack that integrity. Of the ones listed here, I can blame one on newbie enthusiasm, one on laziness and one on just a plain lack of integrity.

Anyway, let's move on :dunno:.

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The above only deal in volumes and, even then, some of their volumes are absolutely wrong. Not much point dealing in volumes when it requires you putting in a grain weight. Where do you get your grain weight from? If you use normal software (non-BIABacus software), you'll need to guess a heap of things that you actually will have no idea of before you can even use the software, let alone even come close to knowing your grain weight. (The BIABacus does intelligent estimates for you). And, if the above make sense, you'll see that anyone that wants/recommends just a volume calculator is pretty uneducated in their brewing.

Paradoxically, if you can mange to avoid those sites and programs, things can be a lot more simple and more powerful here.

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Some links that may help with the above are The Basics of BIAB and "No-Sparge" Definition.

Keep up your good work guys ;),
PP
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
As always ,great job PP . While some of us can't do full volume BIAB all the time , my 2.5 gal batches I can and do. Beersmith sometimes is over run with "know it alls " who think that they know more than they really do. Sad to say , it is the same with some other sites also. At least , we do have a site here that will actually work with brewers , not try to make them feel inferior . Sorry for my rant.
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