hot spots in mash

Post #1 made 15 years ago
I brewed my second biab today. I found that I was getting hot spots with 20 degree differences from one side of the kettle to the other. I eliminated this problem at first by constantly stirring while adding heat. While trying to get to 170 for mashout the water inside the bag was only about 155F, but I noticed boiling on the outside of the bag. Checked the temp and it was much hotter. How can I solve this problem of having much higher temps outside the bag than inside the bag?

Post #2 made 15 years ago
I've never had this trouble before.

It sounds like either your bag is too small or the mesh of the bag is too fine.

They would be my guess at least.
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Post #3 made 15 years ago
The bag was real big so I don't think that was a problem. The mesh was voile so unless they make different thicknesses of mesh I don't know if that was the problem. But from what you said it may have just been the amount of grain that was in the bag. About 17 pounds.

Post #4 made 15 years ago
That doesn't seem an awful lot of grain. I regularly mash with 5.5 kg (12.1 lb) I also stir constantly, as you do, while adding heat, so, sorry, but I can't help :(
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Post #5 made 15 years ago
Well I'll have to think of a way to work on it. I think maybe the false bottom I'm using might be too high off the bottom of the kettle. No worries though. The recipe called for an OG of about 1.084 and I got a whole 1.124!

Post #7 made 15 years ago
I calculated a post boil OG of 1.124 with just under 4 gallons left (from the 8 I started with). Unless I'm using the calculator wrong it was an efficiency of 69 percent. I may be doing something wrong with the calculator (from brewheads.com) because I figure that means that the recipe its self only calls for about a 58.5 percent efficiency. Since I was so above the planned OG I went ahead and topped off with water to get 5 gallons and got an OG of 1.100 before pitching. Im still very happy with the results because 1.100 is much more than the planned 1.084. Hopefully I just made sense through all this. Please let me know if you think my efficiency calculations are off. Here is a link to the recipe I used.

http://www.northernbrewer.com/documenta ... hDream.pdf

Post #8 made 15 years ago
Plugging that recipe into Beersmith with your figures of 1.100 OG and 5 gallons post boil gives an efficiency of 93.5%.

I'd say that was a successful brew.
"It's beer Jim, but not as we know it."

Post #9 made 15 years ago
Maybe it's because I tried a step mash and the grains spent so much time in the kettle between step-ups. As I mentioned earlier I was having a little trouble with maintaing temps that day. I think I have thought of a way to solve this problem though. Up to about the 150 F range it was working ok. When I do the 170 mash out Ill just pull the bag bring it up to 170 and put the bag back in for 10 minutes.

Also did you include the 2 pounds of corn sugar with that 93.5 percent? It's when I added the sugar that I figured my efficiency went down. Which was surprising because I didn't think corn sugar would make that big of a difference.

Either way Heck Yeah I'd say it was successful! BIAB as made brewing so much more fun. Of course the real test will come when I finally get to sample some. :)

Post #10 made 15 years ago
Interesting problem jr. Like hashie, I have never heard of this one before* so I can only guess.

I imagine that your burner is quite powerful and it is boiling the liquid between the false bottom and the kettle base and this hot liquid (and bubbles) are finding the easiest way up and out - the sides.

Make sure you don't use a traditional mash paddle. Use the potato masher type one as pictured in The Commentary. These move the grain much better.

If you are step mashing or mashing out, get yourself a rope and pulley as this will save you agitating the grain every time you apply heat. Drop your paddle into the bag and then lift it so it is of the bottom. Give it a jiggle every few minutes to even the heat out and do this until you reach your desired temp.

Good luck,
PP

* I do actually have a dim memory of getting the occasional bubble up the side in my early days of BIAB when I was a bit lazy stirring. You could actually hear the bubbles forming at the bottom of the pot and this was without a false bottom. Ah, yes, it is all coming back to me now :). After a couple of guys burnt their bags by not stirring, I lifted my stirring game. About 3 years later I finally moved to an apartment where I could use a rope and pulley.
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Post #11 made 15 years ago
jrodie I didn't add the corn sugar, forgot all about it. With the addition of the corn sugar it comes out at 79.3%.
Still a bloody good effort.

+1 for what PP said, use a paint stirrer for your mash paddle, this will get all the grains swimming in the water. Or, as you suggested, lift the bag and the re-submerge at the desired temperature.
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