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Post #1 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
With all the experienced BIABers on site why don't we have a large library of BIAB ready recipes? I know with mine that I really haven't had any knowledgeable input into how good they are or aren't.I likeem and I drinkem.
However I am sure that many of the grizzled veterans on this forum are hoarding away a lot of old family recipes that we could easily download and use with very little to no scaling.I would even venture a guess that I wouldn't even need to look elsewhere for inspiration!
C'mon guys,loosen up and share. :pray:
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Post #2 made 14 years ago
by PistolPatch
Great topic Lylo :peace:,

I have 8 or more recipes I think are very good (most of them stolen) but I'd prefer to wait a bit longer before posting them as I think we are going to see a major re-write of the site fairly soon and a new calculator so the existing recipe forum/format might get changed a lot.

If you let me know what you like, I can send you some though.

PP
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Post #5 made 14 years ago
by rockbotton
Lylo,
I have often thought the same thing. For now I usually go to HBT's recipe database and then use stux's CE-Calc to help me figure out the changes I need to make.
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Post #7 made 14 years ago
by thughes
I have a few recipes posted on Hopville, I know others here do to. Perhaps we can seek each other out at that site and "follow" each other...building a collection of recipes as we go?

http://hopville.com/

Search for me there (Todd Hughes) and "follow" me, post your Hopville username here and I can "follow" you? Just a thought.
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Post #8 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
Any reason we can't do it here? :blush:
Okay Todd I joined Hopville.What is your handle there?Or are you THE Todd@hopville?I got creative and log in as lylo :cool:
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Post #10 made 14 years ago
by rockbotton
Ok Todd and Lylo,
I am there now and I am following both of you.

I guess I need to start adding some recipes now.
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Post #12 made 14 years ago
by thughes
I'll make an effort to post some more of my favorites at Hopville over the next few days. (Can't wait until we can get something like that here.)
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Post #13 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
That is a great format I hope ours can work like that.I need some yellow fizzy stuff for my poker buddies this summer and faved your recipe to try tommorrow.Thanks
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Post #14 made 14 years ago
by PistolPatch
Hopville looks nice but please, for my sake, don't encourage it :argh: (Note for you at the end thughes :P).

http://hopville.com/recipe/994601/ameri ... pdropz-ipa
http://hopville.com/recipe/1258024/oatm ... meal-stout

Just look at some of the numbers in those recipes. The first has a measured OG of 1.055 and an estimated of 1.070. The second is better but...

No clear end of boil volumes at ambient are stated. If that is not stated then you need to know volume into fermentor and kettle trub to even get close to scaling a recipe properly.

:argh: I've tried to scale some recipes from Hopville in the past. What a job it is!

Hopville looks good and professional but it is :argh: :argh: :argh: . The problem with sites like this is that any new brewer can throw up a recipe without understanding the figures.

Sorry to be a downer on this but I think it is better knowing up front what you are leaping into.

:sneak:
PP

P.S. If you use Hopville, make sure you only use thughe's recipes :) and ask him to let you know what his volume into fermentor and ketle trub is :peace:. I trust thughes ;).
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Post #15 made 14 years ago
by rockbotton
You are not a downer on this PP. I have been doing those things on all the recipes I do because there is really no place for BIAB recipes. Even the recipes on this site will not work for everyone since you have to convert from metric to imperial or the other way.

We are just looking for something that I hope will be temporary.
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Post #16 made 14 years ago
by thughes
Totally agree with you PP. Unfortunately I am one of those "intuitive" brewers you seem to be so jealous of (right Bob?). I view those recipes posted on Hopville only as a guideline for ingredients or source of inspiration that require some tweaking to suit my equipment and tastes. (The software that calculates recipes on that site sux)

A lot of us here only require a grain bill (in percentages) along with the type of hop used, IBU, OG, and suggested yeast in order to brew a beer. I do realize that limited amount of information is useless for the average beginning brewer but my suggestion to use that site was the only solution I could think of at the time. I would be happy to modify my posted recipes to include a bit more info, what would you suggest I include?

Perhaps somebody with an FTP server could create an account for us to post up our recipes in calculator form and we could post a link to it here? Thoughts?

---Todd


PS: not sure if it helps but my recipes (unless otherwise noted) are figured at 6.25 post boil volume minus 1 gallon kettle loss for 5.25 gallon into fermenter. Then subtract .25 gallon for fermenter trub loss for a finished volume into the bottles/keg of 5.0 gallons. (Better sit down for this one Pat: I don't compensate for temperature when measuring volume!)
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Post #17 made 14 years ago
by Lylo
Tood!!Pat's gonna be layen a ton of hurt on you man. :shoot: I was just saying that I really like the format,where we can search by style,ingredients,brewer etc.Someday maybe in BIABacus 5.4 Pat?I wouldn't panic :argh: about a mass exodus,we know where the real info is.I also won't even hint that you and your minions should waste a second of BIABacus time on recipes,This could be a stand alone section BIABrewerinfo sometime in the future.
I am planning to try your Yellow fizzy tomorrow as a brew for on of my buddies summer poker parties,I am a little short on flaked corn(1.75 lb) but I think I can work around it.I too like using percentages,and I just go with the general feel of the recipe.I'm abit of a klutz brewer anyway and don't know how good or bad my product really is. :blush:
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Post #18 made 14 years ago
by thughes
1.75lb, 2 lb, whatever works. Don't spend any money on rice at the LHBS.....just buy a box of generic store-brand "minute rice" at the local grocery store.

FYI, there are lots of places to get brewing ingredients cheap:

"instant oatmeal" (like Quaker Oats) is a heck of a lot cheaper at the grocery store than flaked oats are at the LHBS......same thing!

Any recipe that calls for " light Belgian candy sugar" can use plain old table (cane) sugar....it's the same thing!
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Post #19 made 14 years ago
by thughes
BTW Patch, there is a method to my madness. I only measure volume at 3 control points: 1) initial water volume before heating for mash (room temp) 2) volume in cube after it has cooled for a few days (again...room temp) 3) in the fermenter (once again....room temp). Seeing as though all three of my volume measurements are done at the same temp there is no need to compensate.

Granted, I stopped measuring pre-boil (into the kettle) and post boil (hot) volumes once I had my process and equipment dialed in and stopped caring about conversion efficiency.

(You just hate us guys that don't worry about numbers, huh?)

---Todd
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Post #20 made 14 years ago
by thughes
Hey, I just had a thought.....if anyone sees fit to post their recipes on Hopville, please use the word "biabrewer" (biab is no good because it is already used a lot on that site) in your recipe notes, that way we have a method to search for recipes from other members here.

It'll be like our own private club! ;)
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Post #21 made 14 years ago
by BIABrewer
Hi there guys ;),

If possible, I'd prefer not seeing the name BIABrewer used on another recipe site as it may give the impression that BIABrewer.info has somehow recommended the recipe.

If we can just hang in there a bit longer, I think you'll find the calculator PP is working on now excellent. It capitalises on a lot of hard work put in by several members here. Users will only have to type in a number or two to scale their recipe even if they are Maxi-BIABers. Some bits will be slightly clumsy as the use of any macros will prevent its use on Open Office etc, however the other features will more than compensate for this.

While this temporary calculator or 'pre-BIABacus' isn't our ultimate goal, it certainly will fill the gap until we reach it. It will have clickable help and so should be as easy to use and understand as is possible. This is very important.

If you can post recipes here in the meantime, that would always help. Putting the style at the beginning of the thread title makes things easier to find. Down the track, you can always edit your recipes to match the latest calculator or BIABacus. Most recipes on the net are very difficult to scale and convert so if you post a recipe, see if you can post as much detail as possible. This recipe report shows all the info needed to scale a recipe into any other software.

Many thanks,
BB
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Post #22 made 14 years ago
by PistolPatch
thughes wrote:You just hate us guys that don't worry about numbers, huh?

---Todd
No, not at all mate. The annoying thing is that most recipe reports (even standard ones from big software) actually don't provided enough info to scale a recipe properly. For example some might just say IBU's but they don't state the calculation method used (good to see Hopville does). If they don't do this then you really need to know the end of boil volume which, if only grain percentages are used, is impossible even with the OG. Even OG can't be relied on all the time as some programs don't allow for moisture content of the grain so the OG estimated will actually be higher than you'll get.

Providing an end of boil volume (at ambient) temps, i.e. volume into fermentor plus kettle trub is the most valuable figure to provide. It makes everything easy. I just wish every recipe report had it but :nup:.

So, you can see, I hate numbers too :lol: :lol: :lol:,
PP
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Post #23 made 14 years ago
by thughes
BIABrewer wrote:Hi there guys ;),

If possible, I'd prefer not seeing the name BIABrewer used on another recipe site as it may give the impression that BIABrewer.info has somehow recommended the recipe.
BB
Keyword changed to "bagbrewer" for those of you searching on the other site.

--Todd
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Post #25 made 14 years ago
by PistolPatch
Lol Todd/Lylo!

I had another look there yesterday but couldn't quite work it out. For example, if I edited the 'batch size', none of the ingredient amounts changed.

Can you post a direct link to one of your Hopville recipes Todd?

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Finding Good Recipes

Some time was spent a few months ago in BIABacus Betas trying to find good recipe sites that had recipes of high 'integrity'. We didn't succeed in this. The most common problem was that two different brewers would use the site or software two different ways :sad:.

Not sure if the following helps but if I want a recipe, I firstly google for what I'm after - I don't rely on one site. Then I take an overall look at the recipe to see if the information shows that the brewer knows what they are talking about. (A lot of recipe sites are full of new brewers recipes so it is quite common for there to be obvious errors.)

From this I get a good idea of the integrity of the recipe. Here's a few examples...

Low Integrity: Some Random Recipes on the Internet.

Here's one of many atrocious recipes we can very quickly find on the internet...
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It starts badly on the first line but get's a lot worse. One of the most basic figures (original gravity) is missing as are the hop alpha acid percentages. No amount of detective work will lead to a successful scaling of either the hop or grain bill of this recipe.

Here's another one where we could scale the grain bill with some detective work but we are given no hope on hops!
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The presentation of the above recipe looks professional. It even has a five star rating! One of the hardest things for a new brewer is to realise that what looks good on the internet can often be useless and that five star ratings based on votes might be due to a single vote cast by a single author.

One of the most important lessons in finding good recipe is to learn what recipes are not worth your time.

Varying Integrity Recipes: 'Recipe Reports' are a great example.

Some recipes, from some software programs can be scaled to an acceptable degree of accuracy. Others cannot (unless you have the program) or may take a lot of detective work. We certainly couldn't find anything easy except for two of the 5 recipe reports in BeerSmith which now include Volume into Fermentor and Kettle Trub.

High Integrity Recipes

The best I have found so far is "Brewing Classic Styles". All the important info is given for these recipes to be scaled with a high degree of accuracy. I've found one recipe with a typo but that's about it.

Any recipe that has been scaled here on the site in Use this thread to convert recipes to suit your equipment should also be good to go. Bit hard to find the buggers though :roll:. Maybe a search here would find a few recipes you are after?

Recipe Report in the Temporary Calculator/Pre-BIABacus

I'll try and write a good recipe report into this new spreadsheet so that you can easily copy and paste the recipe on this site. I know this isn't a perfect solution but it's the best we can do for now. Like some other bits, this is slightly clumsy but at least you will have a recipe that you can trust and scale confidently in a few seconds.

There's more info buried in betas on what to look for in a good recipe but I think the above is enough to bore you to tears for now :lol: :lol: :lol:.

:peace:,
PP
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