Contrarian wrote:As long as you don't end up with roast barley and brown malt you should be sweet!
They are the two bloody grains I picked! Ended up going to the shop and bought 5kgs of every malt they had (except black patent malt but only because they had run out) so have a half ton to choose from now and am no longer panicked

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goulaigan wrote:I have done 5 or 6 Saisons
Now you post after I have just bought a half ton of grain

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I'm going to ask a moderator to delete your post. As soon as my fellow brewer sees cherries, she'll say, "Let's brew that one." We've just brewed a bloody stout with 2.5 kgs of cherries and God knows how much cocoa into 5 gallons in the fermenter. Tastes like a bloody cherry liqueur chocolate. I have no idea if it is infected or an award-winning beer

. I really can't wait until my co-brewer lets me brew my next lager or even just an APA

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Anyway, have downloaded your files and will look forward (think I just lied) to reading them. I actually will look forward to looking at them as I know they will be a heap better than most I have come across and probably up there with the best. Yep, you are a poster I definitely trust.
I'm suspecting that your recipes might be complex though (you mentioned fruit

) so I'm hoping that Contrarian will post a more basic recipe (very few ingredients) in the next day or so as that is what I really want for our first Saison - no cherries!!!
PP
P.S. The 60min mash will be fine on most grain bills. It will cost you in efficiency on some bills more than others. A few bills it won't cost at all. 90 min boil is a bit similiar. In a few tap waters, you would never do it. In most tap waters with most grain bills you'll be fine. So, not a dirty secret at all goul

. Definitely best (safest) general advice is the 90. I've done both and have given up on a fast-converting grain bill with "clean" water because I need the extra hour to look for what I need next e.g. "Where's my chiller gone? I'm sure it was just here," or "Where's my beer gone? It was just here a minute ago."
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