New IPA recipe using BIABacus

Post #1 made 12 years ago
Here's a new IPA recipe i'm planning on brewing tomorrow. Im happy with the grainbill and have used it on a number of IPA attempts, but up until now I always seem to be light on in regards to hops. While the beer tastes great its stuck half way between an APA & an IPA and doesn't have that big hop punch (flavour and aroma) that you get from Ferals Hop Hog, or Sierra Nervarda torpedo IPA.

Recently I've been looking at Bob Brews black IPA and his heavy handed hop tactics ;) so I've upped the hops in my batch to what seems like crazy levels to match Bobs flippant destruction of large acres of hops plantations for his own personal enjoyment.

Any comments/critique are appreciated.
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Recipe Overview

Brewer: Aces high
Style: IPA
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.056
IBU's (Tinseth): 51.4
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.92
Colour: 9.7 SRM = 19.2 EBC
ABV%: 5.06

Efficiency into Kettle (EIK): 80.8 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 72.8 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 60 mins at 66 C = 150.8 F
Boil: 60 min
Ferment: 14 days at 17 C = 62.6 F

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 73.79 L = 19.49 G
Volume into Kettle (VIK): 68.27 L = 18.03 G @ 1.047
End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A): 55.5 L = 14.66 G @ 1.056
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 50 L = 13.21 G @ 1.056
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 48.15 L = 12.72 G @ 1.017 assuming apparent attenuation of 70 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

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83.4% Pale Ale (5.9 SRM = 11.6 EBC) 10827 grams = 23.87 pounds
9.5% Wheat Malt (3.9 SRM = 7.7 EBC) 1237 grams = 2.73 pounds
5.1% Amber (43.3 SRM = 39.4 EBC) 658 grams = 1.45 pounds
2% Crystal 10 (19.7 SRM = 38.8 EBC) 263 grams = 0.58 pounds

The Hop Bill

Based on Tinseth IBUs.

26.1 IBU CTZ Pellets (15.8%AA) 38.1 grams = 1.343 ounces at 60 mins
11.9 IBU Cascade Pellets (7.8%AA) 71 grams = 2.506 ounces at 15 mins
7.5 IBU Meridian Pellets (6.7%AA) 71 grams = 2.506 ounces at 10 mins
6 IBU Centennial Pellets (9.7%AA) 71 grams = 2.506 ounces at 5 mins
0 IBU Cascade Pellets (7.8%AA) 71 grams = 2.506 ounces at 0 mins (5 mins after flame out)
0 IBU Meridian Pellets (6.7%AA) 71 grams = 2.506 ounces at 0 mins (5 mins after flame out.)
0 IBU Cascade Pellets (7.8%AA) 72.1 grams = 2.545 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash) for 60 mins at 66 C = 150.8 F
Mashout for for 0 mins at 77 C = 170.6 F

Miscellaneous Ingredients

1 Whirfloc (Boil) 5 Mins - Clarity

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Whirlpool: 15 mins after boil end.
Chilling Method: No-Chill (Employed 0 mins after boil end.)

Fermentation& Conditioning

Fermention: 1272 for 14 days at 17 C = 62.6 F
Diacetyl Rest: 2 days at 22 C = 71.6 F
Crash-Chilled: Y
Condition for 7 days.
BIABacus PR1.2 - Hopburst IPA.xls
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Post #2 made 12 years ago
Aces high, Do you like amber malt? There is more amber than crystal in there, is that good? I was told there should be more crystal than amber. I threw away a batch once with amber in it because I didn't like it. It's probably just me.

If people really like amber, I might give it a second chance, but I would need a fair amount of persuasion.

I just skipped quickly through all the recipes in the Mitch Steele IPA book, including the historical ones, and I only found one with amber in it.

I say throw out the Amber, then I’d love to taste that one. That's lots of hops. Sounds exciting!
Guinges

Post #3 made 12 years ago
I dont have any problems with the taste of the amber, and I love the colour it gives the beer. I will pour one from my last batch and take a photo later today (8am is a bit early to start drinking)

Post #4 made 12 years ago
Have mercy, you and Bob, save us little people some hops!

It would be interesting to see your BIABacus with any adjustments you made, when she's all done.

Your equipment is big :lol:

~richard
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Post #5 made 12 years ago
Mad_Scientist wrote:Have mercy, you and Bob, save us little people some hops!

It would be interesting to see your BIABacus with any adjustments you made, when she's all done.

Your equipment is big :lol:

~richard
:lol: :lol: :lol:


You know Aces high! Come to think of it! I don’t think I really like grains much in IPA at all. I’d just use pale malt if I was making that. It’s a bit like the difference between being a breast man and a leg man (cf. grain man/hop man). I think I’m a hop man. But then I like a nice stout, which is all about grains. I’m probably just mixed up, or inexperienced (with beer) :)
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Guinges

Post #6 made 12 years ago
Mad_Scientist wrote:Have mercy, you and Bob, save us little people some hops!

It would be interesting to see your BIABacus with any adjustments you made, when she's all done.

Your equipment is big :lol:

~richard
I'll make sure I take proper readings for a change and see how we end up. Unfortunately my new refractometer is still in a sorting centre somewhere between here and hong kong :sad: Will just have to rely on my 2 slightly different reading hydrometers and hope for the best.
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
Aces high wrote:...so I've upped the hops in my batch to what seems like crazy levels to match Bobs flippant destruction of large acres of hops plantations for his own personal enjoyment.
Very good Stu :lol:.

Stu, I have edited your first post so as the file is updated to PR 1.2 and also so it shows the Recipe Report. It's a bit neater and easier than PR 1.1. There will be a third PR version coming out shortly so make sure you are subscribed to the Pre-Release thread.

Please also note that Aces high asked permission to publish the pre-release file in this thread. Generally, pre-release files should only be published in the Use this thread to convert recipes to suit your equipment... thread.

Cheers,
Pat
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
So it seems like Im gonna run this thread in real time. 5:17pm, mash in
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Probably should have taken a few grain crush and mash in photos, but here are 3 sides of the same pot, exciting eh!

I have a K type thermo + an STC 1000 showing temp. Currently the k type is showing 66.7 degrees and the stc 1000 is showin 65.5 degrees. I received the new k type probe last week from HK and calibrated it on wednesday, so as usual thermometers are my nemesis and I am taking the middle ground temperature wise :pray:

BTW, thanks Pat for letting my do a BIABacus trial run on this IPA and thanks Bob for encouraging me to drop a pound of hops on this recipe, lets hop it pays off :pray:

More updates to come
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Post #9 made 12 years ago
Post mash out OG is 1.044 at 20 degrees. Volume is currently at 66 Litres @90 degrees
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Post #11 made 12 years ago
GuingesRock wrote:Love the shed! you could have a microbrewery in there.
thats what i keep telling the missus :party:

So final numbers are in. I finished up with 54.5L in the pot at the end of the boil (at 100 degrees)

Final OG is somewhere between 1054 & 1056. Not sure i quite got 50L into the no chill cubes, but its hard to tell as they dont have proper measurements, i'll find out when i throw it into the fermenter, but I think I may have to up the "losses to trub". This is due to the fact that i have such a wide pot, so even though it doesnt look like a lot, I probably still have 6 to 8L in the bottom.
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Post #13 made 12 years ago
mankang wrote:The SRM value for the amber malt looks weird
If you are working on the file currently posted in the original thread, it is probably wrong. Either Aces or we have made a mistake or I have just picked some random value for the value of Amber Malt. (I think the latter is probably the case.) It's important though that you do mention stuff like this as much as you can. Pat and I have been working on a billion BIABacus things today, all day, so it is very hard to devote time to what the SRM value of Amber Malt is. I think that is actually probably your only question but I might be wrong?

I hate writing stuff like the above as it sounds so dismissive but it is often posts like yours mankang that have the most value and save us the most time.

Also, please read this post that was only put out an hour or so ago.

:peace:
PP

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Post #14 made 12 years ago
I should have been a bit more verbose (but I typed on the phone). I reacted to the fact that the EBC value is lower than the SRM value and my thought was that there might be a bug somewhere.

Also according to the SRM value the Amber malt is darker than I'm used to.

Post #15 made 12 years ago
as I have used this grain profile before I know what the colour will look like, so I wasn't really concerned with SRM value. I'll check it out properly an update for the final sheet.

Post #16 made 12 years ago
mankang wrote:I should have been a bit more verbose (but I typed on the phone). I reacted to the fact that the EBC value is lower than the SRM value and my thought was that there might be a bug somewhere.
That is definitely a 'software' error mankang. Good on you :salute:. It's not present in the next pre-release which we'll probably give Stu tomorrow.

The error is only relevant to the third ingredient on the right hand side of Section C due to a failed copy and paste in a hidden cell.

Looks like your brew day went smoothly Aces. Not bad considering you went to the pub beforehand :lol:.
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Post #17 made 12 years ago
2 Pubs PP, 2 pubs ;) Lunch and drinks at one, then a stop in at the local for another couple before coming home to brew... not bad indeed. No burns, scars or cuts and hit most of my numbers.

Now off to the cott for more beers :thumbs:

Post #19 made 12 years ago
Just thought i'd report back on this one. This IPA is a cracker, im really happy with it. Its been in the keg for a week and a half now.

Good flavour & aroma, hoppy, but not overpoweringly so. Originally lots of passionfruit (which i think is from the 2278 yeast), but this has settled down now as it gets more complex.

at 5.5% its a very easy drinker, but creeps up on you which is a little dangerous. Even with two full kegs its not going to last long in the fridge.

Post #20 made 11 years ago
Hi, i hoped to give this one a go, any chance please you could give a bit more specific on the grain types, the malt miller has too much choice, also are the hops flowers or pellets?

Post #21 made 11 years ago
simontap wrote:Hi, i hoped to give this one a go, any chance please you could give a bit more specific on the grain types, the malt miller has too much choice, also are the hops flowers or pellets?
Gday Simon,

You should be able to order all this or something similar. If your in America the pale ale malt may be called "2 row" malt (I think)
You could replace the amber malt for maybe some medium crystal or someone else may have a suggestion for a replacement. And you should be able to buy wheat malt.

83.4% Pale Ale (possibly 2 row malt)
9.5% Wheat Malt
5.1% Amber
2% Crystal 10 (this may also be called light crystal)

The hops were all pellets as we struggle to get flowers in Australia.
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Post #22 made 11 years ago
UK based, Near Silverstone Race track, zoom zoom!!

This is why i am having such an issue getting the right one, pick crystal for example, this is whats available


Pale Crystal Malt
PALE CRYSTAL MALT
Application:- Adjunct 5% - 10% grist. Main Characteristics -Sweet malty flavour. EBC - 50 - 70 SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Crystal Malt
CRYSTAL MALT
Application:- Adjunct 5% - 10% of grist. Main Characteristics -Toffee caramel flavour. EBC - 120 - 140 SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Dark Crystal Malt
DARK CRYSTAL MALT
Application:- Adjunct up to 10% grist. Main Characteristics -Burnt toffee flavour, adds ruby red colour to the beer. E…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Crystal Wheat Malt
CRYSTAL WHEAT MALT
Application:- Adjunct up to 10% of grist. Main Characteristics -Dry biscuity flavour. EBC - 100 - 150 SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Crystal Rye Malt
CRYSTAL RYE MALT
Application:- Adjunct up to10% of grist. Main Characteristics -Dry liquorice toffee flavour. EBC - 100 - 200 SOLD PER…

£1.60


BUYMORE
Extra Dark Crystal Malt
EXTRA DARK CRYSTAL MALT
Application - Adds huge toffee , perhaps even burnt toffee flavour. Great used in small amounts to give dark ruby colour…

£1.20

BUYMORE
Dingemans CaraVienna
DINGEMANS CARAVIENNA
EBC 50 This crystal malt can be used in any style where added sweetness and body is called for. Obviously it is very at…

£1.90

BUYMORE
CaraGold Malt
CARAGOLD MALT
E.B.C. 12 Very light Crystal malt from Crisp Maltings. Adds body, colour and mouthfeel. SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Weyermann Carapils®
WEYERMANN CARAPILS®
EBC 3-5 As used in Pilsner, "Lagerbier", alcohol-reduced Beer, Light Beer and Bock Beer amongst oth…

£1.32

BUYMORE
Dingemans Special B
DINGEMANS SPECIAL B
E.B.C.300 The darkest of the Belgian crystal malts, Dingemans Special B will impart a heavy caramel taste and i…

£1.80

Post #23 made 11 years ago
simontap wrote:UK based, Near Silverstone Race track, zoom zoom!!

This is why i am having such an issue getting the right one, pick crystal for example, this is whats available


Pale Crystal Malt
PALE CRYSTAL MALT
Application:- Adjunct 5% - 10% grist. Main Characteristics -Sweet malty flavour. EBC - 50 - 70 SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Crystal Malt
CRYSTAL MALT
Application:- Adjunct 5% - 10% of grist. Main Characteristics -Toffee caramel flavour. EBC - 120 - 140 SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Dark Crystal Malt
DARK CRYSTAL MALT
Application:- Adjunct up to 10% grist. Main Characteristics -Burnt toffee flavour, adds ruby red colour to the beer. E…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Crystal Wheat Malt
CRYSTAL WHEAT MALT
Application:- Adjunct up to 10% of grist. Main Characteristics -Dry biscuity flavour. EBC - 100 - 150 SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Crystal Rye Malt
CRYSTAL RYE MALT
Application:- Adjunct up to10% of grist. Main Characteristics -Dry liquorice toffee flavour. EBC - 100 - 200 SOLD PER…

£1.60


BUYMORE
Extra Dark Crystal Malt
EXTRA DARK CRYSTAL MALT
Application - Adds huge toffee , perhaps even burnt toffee flavour. Great used in small amounts to give dark ruby colour…

£1.20

BUYMORE
Dingemans CaraVienna
DINGEMANS CARAVIENNA
EBC 50 This crystal malt can be used in any style where added sweetness and body is called for. Obviously it is very at…

£1.90

BUYMORE
CaraGold Malt
CARAGOLD MALT
E.B.C. 12 Very light Crystal malt from Crisp Maltings. Adds body, colour and mouthfeel. SOLD PER KILO…

£1.60

BUYMORE
Weyermann Carapils®
WEYERMANN CARAPILS®
EBC 3-5 As used in Pilsner, "Lagerbier", alcohol-reduced Beer, Light Beer and Bock Beer amongst oth…

£1.32

BUYMORE
Dingemans Special B
DINGEMANS SPECIAL B
E.B.C.300 The darkest of the Belgian crystal malts, Dingemans Special B will impart a heavy caramel taste and i…

£1.80

I see your point. They've got a great choice of malt, I wish I had this many options from my LHBS. But for a newbie this could easily get confusing and what seems like a similar malt could be completely different.

This is what I would order from them

Pale Ale malt - this is you base malt and gives you sugar without a lot of flavour

http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.ph ... ductId=287

Wheat - the wheat gives you some mouthfeel and head retention
http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.ph ... oductId=38

Amber - This looks like a pretty mild Amber. The Thomas Fawcett one sounds a bit strong, as you don't want coffee flavor.

http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.ph ... ductId=507

Crystal 10 - this is a light roasted crystal, so it can also be called light crystal or pale crystal

http://www.themaltmiller.co.uk/index.ph ... oductId=25

Overall this is a hop driven beer so all the grains are pretty mild and don't add a lot of malty flavor, but they provide a good base for your hops. The crystal also adds a bit of sweetness to balance the bitterness of the excessive amount of hops. I believe this is a pretty well balanced beer even for the amount of hops in it.
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Post #24 made 11 years ago
Grain is sorted thanks, now to the hops, CTZ and Meridian are not listed, any alternatives? also as I can get flowers would that be better, if so that gets me asking more questions on how i alter the biabacus to show me the hop flower percentage.

who ever said home brewing was simple!!

Post #25 made 11 years ago
I just used these hops as they were the ones I had in stocks and I play with different hops each time to what I can get out of it. How you have the malt part worked out you can play around with the hop schedule to find something you like.

Flowers aren't necessarily better than pellets, it would be nice to have the option to use flowers more often like you seem to have in the UK, but pellets certainly make a good beer.

For bittering hops (60 minute additions) Ive been using magnum lately which I find pretty good, but its not listed on the Malt Miller site, check out Bravo maybe. Just find a good clean bittering hop to use, something with a high AA rating, around 12 to 15%

For flavor and aroma hops I use a mixture of cascade, citra, centennial. All good tried and tested hops. Im a big fan of Australian galaxy, it really adds a nice flavor, but be careful dry hopping with a lot of it, ive read it can come out a bit grassy. I'll also substitute whatever similar hop I have in the freezer at the time.

Biabacus is easy to change. Next to the hops listed there is a substitutions column. Just type the hop your using in next to the original, add the time and AA% and it will tell you exactly how many grams you need to use to get a similar result.

Someone else may be able to chime in with some good hop substitutions here as we all have our favorites, but in the end just play around with it. Once you understand the basics of Biab brewing, everything else is just experimentation. Unless you really stuff something up, you'll make a beer that's at least drinkable but probably pretty good. Then you will make one that is like the nectar of the gods and spend the next 10 years trying to make it that perfect again.
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