Post #51 made 10 years ago
Brew date: July 12th
Brew #5 using the BIABacus

ECHO competition brew- "I Heart Me" American IPA 14B, inspired by a Bells Two Hearted recipe
'Adjust Auto-Efficiency by 9.0%'.

I did a full-volume mash for 90 minutes.

1. At 30 minutes, my gravity reading was... #1 tube ; 1.056 ; 13.8 brix
2. At 60 minutes, my gravity reading was... #2 tube ; 1.059 ; 14.6 brix
3. At 90 minutes, my gravity reading was... #3 tube ; 1.061 ; 15.0 brix
**** The weight of my grain bill was... 11173 grams ; 24.63 pounds
I did not mash my 'crystal', I did a Gordon Strong thing

Quick Bonus Questions

A. The weight of my grain bill was... 11574 grams ; 25.52 pounds ****total weight with 'crystal'
B. The volume of water I mashed with was... SWN; 46.71 L ; 12.34 G
C. My average mash temperature was... 153.5 F

If you did a Mash-Out (and only if you have time.)

1. To reach a mash-out temp of 76-78 C (169 - 172 F) took (mins)... 16 mins
2. At the start of mash-out, my gravity reading was...


A. After reaching mash-out temp, before pulling the bag, I waited (mins)... 15 mins <=== 'crystal added'
B. After I pulled the bag my gravity reading was... #4 tube; PLG ; 1.065 ; 16.0 brix


MAXI-BIAB
after adding my 7.5 L of MAXI water the GIK was;
#5 tube ; GIK ; 1.058 ; 14.2 brix
#6 sample ; EOBG ; 1.068 ; 16.6 brix

Because my kettle can hold the TWN and I have a sight glasss, I fill to this headspace to begin with.
As it is heating to strike temp, I add my brewing salts. At strike temp I drain into a bucket
until I get to the SWN amount needed. I save this bucket of water for the pre-boil dilution. My last
couple of brews I noticed that I wasn't using all this water, but never measured the volume.

Yesterday's brew I measured the un-used MAXI water remaining in the bucket, it was 1.5 L.
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Post #52 made 10 years ago
Did two brews yesterday but they were ad hoc. The measurements taken below were taken with a refractometer. In some instances though, I checked them against my two favourite hydrometers. (They are my two favourites because they are the only ones I have that read within one degree of each other - seriously :roll:.)

The variance between hydro and refrac in at least one instance was ridiculous.

Anyway, a very rushed day but here are the refrac measures I did get...

American Amber Ale

1.033 at 45 mins
1.043/1 at 60 mins
1.046 at 75 mins
1.049/4 at 95 mins
GIB = 1.050/5

American IPA

1.032 at 45 mins
1.036 at 60 mins
1.043/1 at 75 mins
1.053/6 at 95 mins
GIB = 1.052/0 (I'm pretty sure that was based on a hydro reading but can't remember. See how it is much lower than the 95 min refrac reading?)

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Post #53 made 10 years ago
joshua wrote:PP, Have you plotted the above numbers into a spreadsheet, and Graphed the data???
This was and still is the original aim of this thread Josh. We actually had (and hopefully still have) a mathematician lined up to analyse the data if enough people give it to us at three points. Getting thirty of these three data points is pretty hard.

Anyway, the end result of what info we do collect will be a logarithmic thing dependent on both time and gravity.

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PP
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Post #54 made 10 years ago
I think that is one of the only good uses of a refractometer or my one at least Josh - lol :).

You've given me an idea for my next brew day ;). What I might do is at the end of my mash, stir everything up thoroughly and dip a coffee mug into the wort so as it scoops out a good mix of grain and liquid. Then, if I can get my oven working at around mash temp, I'll put this micro mash in there and take a few refacto readings over several hours. When I notice no change, I'll take a proper gravity reading and see how it compares with my pre-boil one.

Goodonya Josh :peace:
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Post #55 made 10 years ago
Finally got all of the measurements for a brew. This was a Belgian Blond from Jamil's BCS (pre sugar addition). Used a refractometer for measurements. BIABacus said I should get ~1.049 at the end so it was close to my 1.051 I measured after I pulled grain.

I did a full-volume mash for 90 minutes.

1. At 30 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.038
2. At 60 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.043
3. At 90 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.045

A. The weight of my grain bill was...5624g
B. The volume of water I mashed with was...30.89L
C. My average mash temperature was...149

1. To reach a mash-out temp of 76-78 C (169 - 172 F) took (mins)...15min
2. At the start of mash-out, my gravity reading was...1.045

A. After reaching mash-out temp, before pulling the bag, I waited (mins)...5
B. After I pulled the bag my gravity reading was...1.051
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Post #57 made 10 years ago
monkeyman, my apologies for the slow response time.

It's always great to see any measurements. The main thing in this thread is to do three gravity readings during the mash and one after mash-out if you do one.

I also need someone to put their hand up who knows how to write a logarithmic formula in Excel. That's a bit beyond me. Getting this formula into the BIABacus is the final thing I would like to do.

Many thanks,
Pat
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Post #58 made 10 years ago
So these are my numbers from my sweet stout recipe that it currently boiling.
I did a full volume mash for 60 minutes
At 20 minutes my corrected gravity reading was 1.044 (It took about 11 minutes to cool the sample to 76 F)
at 40 minutes my corrected gravity reading was 1.045 (It took about 13 minutes to cool the sample to 71 F)
at 60 minutes my corrected gravity reading was 1.046 (It took about 17 minutes to cool the sample to 66F )
I did not do a mash out
I mashed in 3.22 gallons of water
My mash temps stayed between 154 - 156F (goal of 156) I check the temp every 8-10 minutes and add heat.
My total grain bill was 4.6 pounds

Post #59 made 10 years ago
These are my numbers for today's American Wheat
I did a full volume mash for 60 minutes
At 20 minutes my gravity was 1.039
At 40 minutes my gravity was 1.042
At 60 minutes my gravity was 1.045
I did not do a mash out
Weight of grain bill was 4.22 pounds
Volume of water I mashed in was 3.39 gallons
Mash temps averaged about 151

Post #60 made 9 years ago
Mad Scientist - I Heart Me IPA - For Brewday July 12 2014


Brew date: July 11th
Brew #6 using the BIABacus with 'Adjust Auto-Efficiency by 9.0%'.

I did a full-volume mash for 90 minutes.

1. At 30 minutes, my gravity reading was... n/a
2. At 60 minutes, my gravity reading was... 1.056 ; 13.8 brix
3. At 90 minutes, my gravity reading was... 1.057 ; 14.0 brix

Quick Bonus Questions

A. The weight of my grain bill was... 10879 grams ; 23.98 pounds
B. The volume of water I mashed with was... SWN; 48.83 L ; 12.90 G
C. My average mash temperature was... 149.5 F

If you did a Mash-Out (and only if you have time.)

1. To reach a mash-out temp of 76-78 C (169 - 172 F) took (mins)... 21 mins
2. At the start of mash-out, my gravity reading was... n/a

A. After reaching mash-out temp, before pulling the bag, I waited (mins)... 1 mins
B. After I pulled the bag my gravity reading was... n/a

MAXI-BIAB
After adding my 3.0 L of MAXI water the GIB was... 1.058 ; 14.2 brix
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Post #61 made 9 years ago
I did a full volume mash for 60 minutes.
At 20 minutes my gravity was 1.046
At 40 minutes my gravity was 1.049
At 60 minutes my gravity was 1.052
I did not do a mash out
The weight of my grain bill was 4.34 lbs
My TWN was 3.47 gallons
My average mash temp was 151 degrees

Post #62 made 9 years ago
Today's figures for a 3Floyd's Zombie dust clone
I did a full volume mash for 60 minutes.
At 20 minutes my gravity was 1.043
At 40 minutes my gravity was 1.050
At 60 minutes my gravity was 1.051
I did not do a mash out
My grain bill was 4.42 pounds
Volume of water was 3.22 gallons
Average mash temp was 154F

Post #63 made 9 years ago
Brewing a dark mild today.
At 20 minutes the gravity was 1.022
At 40 minutes the gravity was 1.026
At 60 minutes the gravity was 1.028 (goal was 1.029)
I did not do a mash out
Grain bill weight was 2.51#
Volume of water was 3.12 gallons
Average mash temp was 152

Post #64 made 9 years ago
PistolPatch wrote: American Amber Ale

1.033 at 45 mins
1.043/1 at 60 mins
1.046 at 75 mins
1.049/4 at 95 mins
GIB = 1.050/5

American IPA

1.032 at 45 mins
1.036 at 60 mins
1.043/1 at 75 mins
1.053/6 at 95 mins
GIB = 1.052/0 (I'm pretty sure that was based on a hydro reading but can't remember. See how it is much lower than the 95 min refrac reading?)

:peace:
What do the numbers mean that show "strange" gravity's? In this case 1.043/1; 1.056/6 etc

I had a couple of numbers like that in Section M of my last brew. However, in my case, they both read /0
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Post #65 made 9 years ago
HbgBill wrote:What do the numbers mean that show "strange" gravity's? In this case 1.043/1; 1.056/6 etc
That's just the decimal; i.e., 1.056/6 = 1.0566. PP will have to explain why that format is used.

Saturday, I brewed an IPA based on Jamil's BCS Hoppiness is an IPA. I used a refractometer for all measurements, except I confirmed refractometer with hydrometer measurement at OG. BIABacus said I should get 1.060 at the end so it was close to my 1.059. This deviated from the intended target of 1.065 OG because I forgot to add one of the specialty malts, which was 6.8% of the grain bill and 454g. I measured after I pulled grain at pre-boil.

I did a full-volume mash for 90 minutes.

1. At 15 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.023
2. At 45 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.032
3. At 60 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.0345
4. At 90 minutes, my gravity reading was...1.038

A. The weight of my grain bill was...6237g
B. The volume of water I mashed with was...40.86L
C. My average mash temperature was...65C/149F

Here are the vital statistics on grain bill and water from my Biabacus:

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 40.86 L = 10.79 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 36.64 L = 9.68 G @ 1.043
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 25.09 L = 6.63 G @ 1.060

The Grain Bill

Rahr 2-row (4.5 EBC = 2.3 SRM) 5777 grams = 12.74 pounds
Munich (25.2 EBC = 12.8 SRM) 340 grams = 0.75 pounds
Crystal 40 (105.2 EBC = 53.4 SRM) 113 grams = 0.25 pounds

1. To reach a mash-out temp of 75 C (167 F) took (mins)...10min
2. At the start of mash-out, my gravity reading was...n/a

A. After reaching mash-out temp, before pulling the bag, I waited (mins)...15
B. After I pulled the bag my gravity reading was...1.0425

VAW was 25.1L and GAW (OG) was 1.059 with both refractometer and hydrometer readings; Biabacus calculation was 1.060.
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Post #66 made 9 years ago
Thanks cwier60 and the many others who have been contributing here. I know just how much effort it takes to do this.

:thumbs:

One thing I thought of the other day is that I should have asked people to record their base malt/s as this might explain the difference in some of the more extreme results. If you can remember what base malts you used and have time to edit your posts above, that might help us even more paint a picture.

For now, I have given up on the idea of writing in a logarithmic formula based on time and its affect on the auto kettle efficiency as I suspect the base malts are going to be a major factor and will probably make such a formula impossible to write. This might be obvious in hindsight but I never would have focused on this without everyone above contributing their numbers.

No one else is doing this type of long-term, slow, 'group' research so you are definitely pioneers. There are so many things in brewing that can really only be researched by groups. Groups of individuals contributing many numbers etc, can teach us a lot more than many numbers from one individual.

Apologies that I didn't think to ask about the base malt/s earlier.

Thanks again :salute:,
Pat
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