I've thought about trying No Chill in a cube but one hurdle is there that I haven't explored yet.
What do you guys use to transfer your near boiling wort?
I have a big aluminum kettle and I don't want to drill it for a spigot. I know my plastic autosiphon would not stand up to near boiling water, nor would my tubing. Silicone would solve the tubing problem. Stainless steel would solve the siphon problem, although a little tricky I bet.
TIA
Post #2 made 16 years ago
Hey 2xC, I used my plastic auto siphon for many brews until it finally died. The heat isn't good for them.
I now use a stainless racking cane with silicone hose. This will keep me going until I get one of Wizards Stainless auto siphons
You can see one here post #18
I now use a stainless racking cane with silicone hose. This will keep me going until I get one of Wizards Stainless auto siphons
You can see one here post #18
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Post #3 made 16 years ago
No drill and no chillTwo If By Sea wrote:I don't want to drill it for a spigot.
Can't wait for wiz's SS auto-syphon!
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Post #4 made 16 years ago
MY Lathe broke down at work 
. Halfway through building PP syphon, and halfway through doing my Beer font upgrade. Damn thing had an aneurysm, bloody computers 
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Post #5 made 16 years ago
the lathe. Spose I'll have to wait...
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Post #7 made 16 years ago
Aluminum pot + spigot = likely dented pot.
Plus my pot fits perfectly in the box it shipped in but wouldn't with a spigot.
Plus my pot fits perfectly in the box it shipped in but wouldn't with a spigot.
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Post #8 made 16 years ago
It's a great question iijakiiiijakii wrote:I don't get why you guys are so adverse to spigots. I love my spigot!
(Been a long day for me today, yet again, so please excuse the style of writing below which I am sure will end up being way too authoritative, long and most likely, wanky, like most of my long-winded posts written under these conditions are
)Most brewers want and therefore have a spigot (tap) on their kettle. Why wouldn't they? They look great, are really easy to operate and
I say this because that is about it.
There are a few problems with having a spigot/tap on your kettle. There are also currently no solutions to this though wizard78 has this nearly solved.
Before I write/drink any more I would like to say that heaps of brewers have spigots/taps and never have a problem.
The following ramble is written soley because a brewer I know lost 1500 L of 23 L batches of beer over several years. He kept brewing, he kept posting his problem on his brewing forum (a big one) and no one ever said, "Check your kettle spigot."
1. A kettle spigot/tap is a ball valve.
2. A ball-valve retains liquid. The ball is inside a cube so opening and closing the valve never completely empties the resulting, "chamber." You need to open and close the valve many times to completely dilute the liquid.
3. Brewers assume that their spigot or tap gets "boiled" and therefore sterilised. It doesn't. Most of the time, that chamber actually sits at temps quite conducive to many bacteria.
So, one brewer lost 1500 L of beer over two years because everyone assumed kettle spigots were okay. I didn't know this brewer at the beginning of his problems. Maybe he was just an unclean brewer just asking for problems? But, I also know a brewer with similar problems who brewed beer side by side over three years with other brewers and who finally tracked his problem down to faulty keg welds.
This brewer is the cleanest brewer you have ever met. You can only imagine the frustration he felt. He, as best as he could, worked up the chain of fermentation, blaming and replacing, yeast varieties, fermenters, ball-valves, syphons, spigots, etc. He had spent top dollar on those kegs.
So, this is the first problem I have with spigots/taps. I think my objection to them is on the extreme side but I don't have a problem posting in an extremist manner on this. (Realistically, I think that ball-valves can be maintained without pulling them apart too often.)
The second problem with kettle ball-valves/spigots/taps is when you do have to pull them apart. This is very time-consuming and when you do manage to put them back together, without losing any of those O-rings that take days to sourcec
you then get the problem of leaks.I succumbed a while back and put spigots on my kettle. Every time I take them off and put them back, they leak. Every 'ken time! It drives me mad!
I actually don't want to brew again until wizard78 sends me a stainless steel auto-syphon. I can't tell you how annoying the leaking and finding correct sized washers is for my weld-less fittings. A SS auto-syphon is something I have wanted and drawn up designs for pretty much since I started AG. Wiz has made this (not my design, his) a reality but apparently his bloody lathe is broken
There is one further limitation of a tap and that is of height. A spigot/tap is always at the same height from the bottom of your kettle. Every brew varies. To take it too an extreme, if I brew a single batch, use flower hops and whirlpool, my spigot should ideally be underneath the outer edge of my kettle! If I do a double batch with pellet hops and no whirlpool, my spigot/tap might need to be 3-5 inches higher!
If wizard78 manages to make his stainless steel auto-syphon fully adjustable, for all kettles, then I see no reason why every all-grain brewer (barring very high tech re-circulating brewers needing a pump) should not buy one.
If this does happen, my biggest problem is how to fill in the holes I made in my two kettles for my constantly leaking spigots!!!!!
PP
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Post #9 made 16 years ago
Another victory for no-chill then!
Hooray boiling wort and it's sanitizing efforts.
Hooray boiling wort and it's sanitizing efforts.
Post #10 made 16 years ago
Hey PP,
Gee I hope I'm not holding up your brewing, I feel a little guilty
.
BTW thanks for the plug, I'm embarrased
My advise on the holes in your pot is to take it to an engineering shop, or fabricator and get them to tig weld a plate over it. I would definitely get them to weld it from the inside and then pickle it.
Should be good to go from there
I hope you get back to some normality soon
P.s My lathe just got back up and running, just got to get through the backlog of work
Gee I hope I'm not holding up your brewing, I feel a little guilty
.BTW thanks for the plug, I'm embarrased
My advise on the holes in your pot is to take it to an engineering shop, or fabricator and get them to tig weld a plate over it. I would definitely get them to weld it from the inside and then pickle it.
Should be good to go from there
I hope you get back to some normality soon
P.s My lathe just got back up and running, just got to get through the backlog of work
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Post #11 made 16 years ago
Can't you make me some sight glasses instead? Pleasewizard78 wrote:Hey PP,
My advise on the holes in your pot is to take it to an engineering shop, or fabricator and get them to tig weld a plate over it. I would definitely get them to weld it from the inside and then pickle it.
And nup, you're not holding me up mate. I am all work and no play at the moment
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Post #12 made 16 years ago
Off topic
I probably can make some sight glasses PP, that's another thing on my lost of things to make for my brewery.
What size are the holes?
Sorry for the hi-jack
I probably can make some sight glasses PP, that's another thing on my lost of things to make for my brewery.
What size are the holes?
Sorry for the hi-jack
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Post #13 made 16 years ago
No worries. I like the homebrew tinkering. Wish I had a shop and some experience.
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Post #14 made 16 years ago
22 mm and the bottom of the hole is 400 mm from the top of the kettle. (Need two.) Please make them today and post them tomorrowwizard78 wrote:Off topic
I probably can make some sight glasses PP, that's another thing on my list of things to make for my brewery.
What size are the holes?
. (Seriously, if you can make them at some stage, that'd be tops! I better get your bank details. Need two syphons as well.)Will send PMs from now so as we can get 2xC back on topic. Thanks 2xC
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Post #15 made 16 years ago
I just received my S/S AUTO SIPHON HOSE TIP
It says "KAF Safety Siphon" on it
Looks the bees knees
Just waiting on some silicon hosing
I plan to use this for transferring boiling wort into an NC cube
(and SWMBO wants it for her fruit wines)
Looks the bees knees
Just waiting on some silicon hosing
I plan to use this for transferring boiling wort into an NC cube
(and SWMBO wants it for her fruit wines)
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Cubed: -
Stirplate: -
On Tap: NS Summer Ale III (WY1272), Landlord III (WY1469), Fighter's 70/- II (WY1272), Roast Porter (WY1028), Cider, Soda
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5/7/12
Cubed: -
Stirplate: -
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Next: Munich Helles III
5/7/12
Post #16 made 16 years ago
Explain?stux wrote:I just received my S/S AUTO SIPHON HOSE TIP
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Post #17 made 16 years ago
Two If By Sea wrote:
Explain?
Yes please explain, I'm keen to see what this is and how it works.
My guess is that it's like a jiggler?
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Post #18 made 16 years ago
It's a jiggle syphon isn't it?
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Post #19 made 16 years ago
Yes, I thinkwizard78 wrote:It's a jiggle syphon isn't it?
Unfortunately I didn't find any suppliers of stainless steel tube type auto-siphons, so this will have to do
It fits into the end of 1/2" hose (or pipe?)
(i plan to use it with heavy duty silicon hose)
Inside it has a "hard plastic" torpedo, it literally looks like an old bomb, ie the front half is shaped like a capsule, and the back half has fins on a stem.
So, this torpedo moves up and down about 5-6mm inside the device...
Its supposed to push the fluid up as you jiggle.
I'll be able to test it once my hose arrives
Also, found a reference in the HBD
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Fermenting: -
Cubed: -
Stirplate: -
On Tap: NS Summer Ale III (WY1272), Landlord III (WY1469), Fighter's 70/- II (WY1272), Roast Porter (WY1028), Cider, Soda
Next: Munich Helles III
5/7/12
Cubed: -
Stirplate: -
On Tap: NS Summer Ale III (WY1272), Landlord III (WY1469), Fighter's 70/- II (WY1272), Roast Porter (WY1028), Cider, Soda
Next: Munich Helles III
5/7/12
DIY Jiggle Syphon
Post #20 made 15 years ago
In cause anyone is interested there are instructions for a DIY jiggle syphon here: http://www.peakbusiness.co.uk/canalpage ... oard5.html.
Looks pretty easy. Of course you'd have to scale it appropriately for different diameter hoses and maybe substitute the glass marble for a stainless ball. Maybe not though.
Brian
PS - And just a thought, but the wire might not be required. I think crimping the copper fitting, or cutting then folding a small tab on either side would be sufficient to hold the marble/ball in place.
Looks pretty easy. Of course you'd have to scale it appropriately for different diameter hoses and maybe substitute the glass marble for a stainless ball. Maybe not though.
Brian
PS - And just a thought, but the wire might not be required. I think crimping the copper fitting, or cutting then folding a small tab on either side would be sufficient to hold the marble/ball in place.
