1st Brew Errors & No Fermination

Post #1 made 12 years ago
Yesterday I completed my first all grain/BIAB Krispy Kolsch brew. I used the Commentary and a checklist to help guide the day, but I still made several rookie mistakes and I am concerned because there is no fermentation action in my blow off container.

Attached is my update BIABacus file containing my final numbers. However I has not sure what volume to input in Section L Mash Volume.

Fermentation has not started I pitched my yeast 18 hours ago. Batch placed in 15C fermentation chamber.

1) I used White Labs German Ale/Kolsch Yeast WLP029, but I did not follow all the instructions on the tube. The instructions say to pitch the yeast when the wort is between 21-24C. I pitched at 22.8C. What i did not do was to keep the wort between 21-24C until fermentation begins as per the instructions on the yeast container- Lesson learned-read all the directions. I instead placed my primary in my fermentation fridge set at 15C.


How will these brew day errors effect my batch

1) 15 min late with 1st Hop Addition and the Hops I purchased where the wrong %AA :headhit: . Correct Hop Addition was supposed to be 38.6g of 5.3%AA Hallertau Pellets instead I added 38.6 g of 4.1%AA Halletau Pellets. Lesson Learned check the back of the Hops package before buying

2) 2nd Hop addition made on time per the commentary and was supposed to be 19.3g of Halletau , instead had only 17.6g remaining of the 4.1% Halletau left. Lesson Learned convert gram to ounces before buying hops labeled in ounces :idiot:

3) a Boil over occurred about an hour into the 90min boil :argh: . Lesson Learned: don't multi-task during boil


Thanks

Don
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Post #2 made 12 years ago
Hi Don, all being well you will make beer. Fermentation can take 24 - 36 hours to begin visibly but cell division reproduction etc is underway before that. Air lock or blow off is not a reliable indicator always as there may be a small leak elsewhere. I just use plastic foodwrap [glad/sarron wrap] with an elastic band and observe through the top for krausen. Wlp 029 is a very clean yeast but on the occassions I've used it I kept it in the 17 - 18 c range. If you have temp control the Whitelabs instructions work well. Did you make a starter because if the vial was direct pitched it may not have had enough viable yeast for the amount of wort depending on the age and storage of the vial. It is not a bad idea to have a sachet of dry yeast in the fridge as a standby. Some like US05 but I prefer Nottingham as it can handle a good temperature range and still remain clean.

With your hops your beer will be a bit less bitter but for a Kolsch that will be fine. The ounces/grams thing will be an experience marker in your brewing. Always double check AA% and weights.

When the beer is ready to drink, enjoy it for what it is not what you thought it would be.

Post #3 made 12 years ago
I direct pitched the vial which contained a net volume of 35mls of yeast into 23.9L of wort. Is that the correct amount for the volume I had in my primary 6.5gal fermentation bucket.


Thanks again

Don
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Post #4 made 12 years ago
Don if the yeast is very fresh it may be ok but as I said it depends. Are you near a home brew store to get either some dry yeast or another vial of the same? I love Whitelabs yeast but always make a starter to know I have enough yeast. Get some dry yeaast and leave the fermenter alone for a total of 36 hours since you pitched the first vial. If there is no visible krausen after the 36 hours sprinkle in the dry yeast. Ferment at about 17 - 18 c,

Steve

Post #5 made 12 years ago
The lessons learned, or self learned, will pay back in spades. All your notes and experiences are an asset when brewing.

One pleasant out come may be this will be one of the best beers you have tasted. Then you will have to try and duplicate your mistakes. :)
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Post #6 made 12 years ago
Congrats on your first brew dk :thumbs:

I'll just check your file for you here as you are getting well-sorted on the yeast. One thing though, try to use dried yeasts when starting out when you can. They are just as good as liquid yeasts but cheaper and easier to use. For the 'Krispy Kolsch', with no to little fruitiness, I use German Ale Safale K-97 dried yeast and do my fermentation as written at the bottom of this post. Lol! I just saw that that post was written to you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.

Anyway, definitely wait the 36 hours (even 48 hours)before you start worrying about the yeast. If you do end up pitching dry yeast, on this recipe, I would try to buy K-97 as first choice, US-05 second (ferment at 15-16C) and Nottingham last (keep it cool so as you don't blow up. That stuff is dynamite).

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Let's have a look at your file but before I do, be aware that you can't tell much, if anything, from numbers from a single brew day. You need to keep recording for a while to make sure that no consistent dodgy pattern appears ;).

Firstly, your mash volume question. That's nothing important. It's just the volume in your kettle once you have put all the strike water and crushed grain into your kettle. In other words, the volume after you have doughed in. Main reason we have it there is so that the BIABacus estimates can be checked over time.

Nice job on filling the BIABacus out. Good stuff ;).

In section V, no need for the "-" sign. That will actually give you a wrong answer.

Your evaporation is lower than estimated. It's not out of the range of what is normal and I have no problem with you over-riding that in Section X of your next brew as lowering the evaporation rate really has no downside but!!!!...

Were you doing a good rolling boil and did you have the kettle lid off? (Sometimes these things get missed.)

On a first brew, once I have looked at evaporation, I have a bit of a glance around making sure that the numbers are what I call, 'honest'. In other words, there should be discrepancies between the actuals and the estimates. Yours are honest so good job.

I then go to Section P and just see if that section has any agreement. That's an advanced thing and I won't go into it here. That section though does confirm for me that the main culprit in this brew is the low evaporation rate. This has caused you to get more wort than expected and therefore a lower OG than expected.

More info on boil vigour, lid and atmospheric conditions would certainly be interesting.

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Finally, as Dee and chiller have said above, nothing to worry about here. That beer will be great. Only time you really get a dodgy all-grain beer is really through an infection or storage fault.

Congrats again :salute:,
PP
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Post #7 made 12 years ago
Yesterday
:lol:


I have only seen airlock activity in less than 24 hrs once so far, and this is my latest batch. Pleasant surprise!

I'll admit though, my first brew I was just as worried that I did something wrong ... and searched the internet for hours to confirm that this might be normal.
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Post #8 made 12 years ago
Had a good rolling boil but you found my mistake I did not know I was supposed to leave the lid off
. That would explain the lower evaporation rate. Thanks again

Don
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1st Brew Errors & No Fermination

Post #9 made 12 years ago
Coming up on ten days in primary on my first all grain BIAB Krispy kolsch. I've keep the temp at 15C. After the first 10 days do i do the 4 day diacetyl rest then transfer to secondary or then bottle?


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Post #10 made 12 years ago
I am not a bottling expert sorry dkr,

Don't be worried about creating a new thread on this though. To get a good answer, you will have to give good background info... What's your ambient temp for example? Do you have temp control of your fermentor or secondary? etc.

That's the big difference on this site. As a general rule, you have here members that will actually, "listen." what you write before replying to it. Try and work out the best way that you can convey to them what equipment/controls you have otherwise you risk having someone tell you what they do even though their circumstances might be entirely different to yours.

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PP
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