Post #1576 made 12 years ago
I'm working on converting the Avery Maharaja recipe that is on their website (link in file). I think I'm close if not finished but would love anyone's thoughts on it.
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Post #1577 made 12 years ago
TXTom wrote:I'm working on converting the Avery Maharaja recipe that is on their website (link in file). I think I'm close if not finished but would love anyone's thoughts on it.

One of my favorite DIPA's!

I'd definitely mash lower than that. There's no way mashing at 154 will attenuate enough to reach their target ABV. It's also a very dry DIPA, and 154 would leave it pretty sweet I would think. I'd mash 149 at the most, but would try 145-148 range first being paranoid as I am.

Also, Those 0m/flame out hops almost certainly will need a 180-212F hop stand to reach target 102 IBU. Maybe 10-15 minutes or so. I'm not sure if they imply tinseth, but my tastebuds tell me to still shoot for 102IBU.
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Post #1578 made 12 years ago
I tinkered around with it, and this is what I would do.

*you also might want to upgrade to version 1.3i. I would have redone the recipe on the current version if I had noticed sooner.


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Recipe Overview

Brewer:
Style: IIPA
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.09
IBU's (Tinseth): 100.6
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 1.12
Colour: 24.5 EBC = 12.5 SRM
ABV%: 10.1

Efficiency into Kettle (EIK): 74.5 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 67.2 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 64 C = 147.2 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 14 days at 18 C = 64.4 F

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 32.21 L = 8.51 G
Volume into Kettle (VIK): 28.48 L = 7.52 G @ 1.062
End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A): 18.87 L = 4.98 G @ 1.09
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 17 L = 4.49 G @ 1.09
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 16.37 L = 4.32 G @ 1.012 assuming apparent attenuation of 87 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

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93.8% 2-Row (4 EBC = 2 SRM) 7215 grams = 15.91 pounds
3.1% Victory Malt (55 EBC = 27.9 SRM) 238 grams = 0.53 pounds
3.1% C-120 (236 EBC = 119.8 SRM) 238 grams = 0.53 pounds

The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

40.3 IBU Columbus Pellets (13.9%AA) 30.9 grams = 1.09 ounces at 60 mins
31 IBU Columbus Pellets (13.9%AA) 30.9 grams = 1.09 ounces at 30 mins
16.1 IBU Centennial* Pellets (13.9%AA) 61.8 grams = 2.181 ounces at 5 mins
13.2 IBU Simcoe* Pellets (11.4%AA) 61.8 grams = 2.181 ounces at 5 mins
0 IBU Simcoe Pellets (11.4%AA) 124.2 grams = 4.382 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)
0 IBU Centennial Pellets (13.9%AA) 61.8 grams = 2.181 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)
0 IBU Chinook Pellets (13.9%AA) 61.8 grams = 2.181 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash) for 90 mins at 64 C = 147.2 F

Mashout for for 10 mins at 76.7 C = 170.06 F

Miscellaneous Ingredients

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: Y

Fermentation& Conditioning

Fermention: WLP 001 California for 14 days at 18 C = 64.4 F

Secondary Used: Y
Crash-Chilled: Y
Filtered: N
Req. Volumes of CO2: 2.25
Serving Temp: 5 C = 41 F
Condition for 28 days.
Consume within 3 months.

Special Instructions/Notes on this Beer

*5 minute hop addition value = 10-15m hop stand bittering adjustment. Hops actually added at flame out.
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Post #1579 made 12 years ago
Rick wrote:*you also might want to upgrade to version 1.3i. I would have redone the recipe on the current version if I had noticed sooner.
Many thanks, Rick. Do you mind pointing me in the right direction of the updated file. I checked the BIABacus feedback forum, the site announcements forum and the weights & measurments and only see PR1.3.

Thanks again.
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Post #1580 made 12 years ago
TXTom wrote:
Rick wrote:*you also might want to upgrade to version 1.3i. I would have redone the recipe on the current version if I had noticed sooner.
Many thanks, Rick. Do you mind pointing me in the right direction of the updated file. I checked the BIABacus feedback forum, the site announcements forum and the weights & measurments and only see PR1.3.

Thanks again.

Honestly, I don't even know where to look off the top of my head ... so I just used the blank file I keep in a safe place to build a new file for you.
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Post #1581 made 12 years ago
Also, I'd find a way to filter and then squeeze the hops. You will lose a gallon for this many hops. This is also why I suggest a secondary in the file. Dry hopping in primary will have the hops settle on the trub, and I wouldn't squeeze that. Using a hop bag in primary is fine I suppose, but I can't bring myself to recommend it. My "believies" always want to use a secondary. :D
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Post #1582 made 12 years ago
Thanks, Rick. I was planning on using a hop sock (or several) and will transfer to secondary (even though the file didn't reflect that. The main question I have is why did you assume 86% attenuation? I'm still getting to know this spreadsheet but it seems that the number would be closer to the range that White Labs quotes for their yeast, which is 73-80%. I guess it doesn't really matter since it only affects a calcuation of the outcome and won't change my grain bill. Your number definitly is closer to what Avery ends up with.

Thanks, again.

Post #1583 made 12 years ago
TXTom wrote:Thanks, Rick. I was planning on using a hop sock (or several) and will transfer to secondary (even though the file didn't reflect that. The main question I have is why did you assume 86% attenuation? I'm still getting to know this spreadsheet but it seems that the number would be closer to the range that White Labs quotes for their yeast, which is 73-80%. I guess it doesn't really matter since it only affects a calcuation of the outcome and won't change my grain bill. Your number definitly is closer to what Avery ends up with.

Thanks, again.
It'll attenuate higher if you mash lower, this is why I mentioned a desire to mash at 145. This would produce a more fermentable wort. Another thing you could do is aim for a lower mash pH, which would also help increase attenuation.

I generally mash my IPA's at 149, and using US-05 I get about 84%. This is also well above the stated range.

Another trick is to use 5-10% sugar, but I don't think you'll need it. I think a low mash temp will get you close enough.
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Post #1584 made 11 years ago
First BIAB is done! It's a bit different than using the mash tun/batch sparge method I'm used to, which is probably why I only had a couple minor hiccups.

First problem - Mashed in at 157F and the temp only dropped to 155F. It took me 20 minutes to get it down to 150.

Second problem - I didn't have a hard enough boil. I checked my volume with about 15 minutes left in the boil and there was still way too much wort in the pot. I turned up the heat and got a more vigorous boil going. I ended up boiling for an extra 30 minutes and I was still a couple litres higher than I should have been. So I cut my losses which will give me a lower ABV than expected

Both issues are easy equipment corrections for the next batch. I've attached the BIABacus with as much info as I could put for all my readings.
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Post #1585 made 11 years ago
Good on you Trev :thumbs:,

Also, great job on being able to measure all those numbers and they look very 'honest' to me :salute:.

On your next brew, follow the strike temperature advised in Section E of the BIABacus. You'll see in your file that it would have asked you to strike at 150.8 F rather than 157. Cool :lol:.

As for the evaporation rate, this can vary a lot from day to day. Despite this, we would hope that the BIABacus defaults would protect you from going under gravity. If you think you had a good rolling boil going through the whole brew, then I would be tempted to over-ride the defaults on your next brew. Better to dilute at the end of the day than the opposite. The beer will be fine though anyway so no worries ;).

The only thing I noticed in your file that I'd question is in Section B. On the top line on the left you have 1.040 but on the right you have 1.045. It is very rare that this is ever needed so I am guessing you have done this on purpose, i.e. you wanted a stronger brew than the original recipe.

Anyway, good day. The strike temp is as good as fixed so the only thing to be concerned on is the boil vigour/evaporation rate.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1586 made 11 years ago
Thanks. I did adjust to 1.045 to get the brew a bit stronger
I tried my best with the measured numbers. I've always done 5 gallon batches and knew my big kettle pretty well to know how much was in it. This was a new pot I was using so I was trying with the ruler method.

I still don't quite understand how my efficiency numbers were that high when I went under gravity and had more wort than I should have

I totally missed Section E when I was brewing. Next time I won't.

Once I get this stuff in bottles I'll be trying another. This time a nice hoppy IPA.

Post #1587 made 11 years ago
Sorry about the slow reply Trev,

Good stuff above - all makes sense. As to your efficiency question...
I still don't quite understand how my efficiency numbers were that high when I went under gravity and had more wort than I should have
All that any efficiency number is measuring is really the weight of 'sugar' in the wort.

If you put a pound of sugar into a gallon of wort and measured it's specific gravity, it would read about 1.046. Let's say you added another gallon of water. Your specific gravity would now read 1.023 but your efficiency has not changed as you still have the same weight of sugar in the liquid.

In your brew, even though your gravity was less than estimated, your volume was even more under-estimated. Putting these two together, you actually had more sugar than predicted.

This post here might also help a little.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1588 made 11 years ago
hi guys, i'm brewing a beer tomorrow morning for competition and have a few questions about running it through the BACUS sheet. the problem is mainly stemming from the use of corn sugar in the recipe (i searched the site a bit and found a post about adjusting the extract potential, which i did as you'll see, attached my file).

this is the 3rd time brewing this recipe, originally created with beersmith, and it is an amazing beer. i'm confident it will come out great, as i'm probably splitting hairs here, but i really want to understand what's happening in the calculations.

for starters, the BACUS doesn't seem to handle simple sugars well. even though i've set the extract potential to 46 ppg it's still calculating the quantity of sugar as part of the dough-in/strike water temp calc/grain weight as well as the mash efficiency into kettle. why would it affect either of those calcs? it's also affecting pre boil gravity even though i add the corn sugar at 5m, though i can figure that out on my own.

If anyone has any guidance on how to properly handle corn sugar with the BACUS grain bill, I'd appreciate it. i'm at a loss here as it shouldn't be calculating extract as a mashing grain (strike temp) or part of the efficiency. i realize the BACUS is still in BETA, but this appears to be one of the areas needing improvement, which I'm sure you already know. I appreciate everything on this site and the dedication of everyone involved.

thank you!
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Post #1589 made 11 years ago
the solution that i'm thinking of entails setting the corn sugar ratio to 0 (which changes the ratio of the entire grain bill) and then adjusting the OG until it matches the amounts I have already purchased and milled. This increases my efficiency into kettle from 75.8% to 77.8% and alters my strike temp a small amount. i'll use these amounts and then calculate the corn sugar addition at 1.046 ppg based on the EOBV(A).
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Post #1590 made 11 years ago
I've been lurking in the background for about a week now reading up on the biabacus in advance of next weeks brew day.

I've included below the link to the recipe and attached the Biabacus file so hopefully I can get some feedback. I have the grains on hand for what's listed in the left side of Section C of the Biabacus.

Firstly I ferment in a corny so I only need about 17L as my VIF. However my kettle is only 31L so space is somewhat limited for most average gravity beers. That being said I dont mind using more grain but I also have another 30L pot so I'm able to sparge the grains also if I needed to.
Second, although I only need 17L VIF my 2 previous attempts at whirlpooling were not very successful and I left about 3.5L of trub/wort in the kettle. So I may need more than the 19.2L EOBV-A predicted by the Biabacus?
Third, in terms of my equipment my kettle is a thin walled aluminum kettle (I know there are some adjustments to the biabacus that can be made due to this but I dont recall what they are), I do use hop socks and chill using an immersion chiller. With it being cold now I'll likely be brewing on my stovetop which doesnt get the strongest of boils going and for which I always seem to overestimate the evaporation loss.

Thanks in advance

Link to recipe at Homebrewtalk here
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Post #1591 made 11 years ago
laserghost and Truanthony,

I'll answer laser's question in this post and Truanthony's in the next one ;).

LG, the BIABacus, in spreadsheet form, is really aimed at all-grain. To get it to handle sugars properly in the spreadsheet without using macros would make the sheet visually larger than it is and also require heaps of complex formulas.

That being said, in most recipes, it's not going to be a major drams and you can work around it. In your second post above, you have found one way around it. Another way, probably easier, would be to add it in Section N under 'DME Added to Fermentor' (use the second sheet of the BIABacus to convert the corn sugar weight to DME weight).

Whatever you do, it is a lot of mucking around. Personally, if your sugar contribution is less than 10%, I'd just change it's potential in Section Y and be done with it. The small difference it will make to the TWN and kettle efficiency is not worth worrying about. As you also mentioned, you will have to ignore the Gravity into Kettle etc.

Don't be worried about this small level of inaccuracy when using sugars. One major brewing software is about 4% out on all its OG estimates that rely on grain. At least here, if you fill out Section Y, you'll have the correct OG etc ;).

That's a big recipe LG!

:luck:
PP
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Post #1592 made 11 years ago
Welcome to the forum Truanthony :salute:,

Looks like you slipped through the net but just so as you know, you are meant to do an introductory post in this thread here before asking questions etc. Maybe just do one there when you get a chance to let everyone know where your from etc ;).

Just having a look at your file and you've done a really nice job there :clap:.

One of the hardest things of copying any recipe is working out the EOBV-A in Section D. (We are changing that name to 'Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW)' just to let you know). You have typed in 5.25 gallons which is equal to what the original recipe calls 'Batch Size'. I did some checks and, in this case, the original author does mean VAW when they say 'batch size' but often, nearly always, they do not. So, just be careful in future that you don't automatically assume batch size to equal VAW. It's currently a big flaw in the way that recipes are communicated.

I think everything in your BIABacus file is great except I think maybe increase your 'Water Added Before the Boil' a bit so as your mash volume is not so close to the top of your kettle.

As for your other questions...

Forget the whirlpooling if you are using an immersion chiller. Use your BIAB bag as a hop sock. Don't use those tiny little hop sock bags in a boil. Trub management depends on a lot of things including what type of hops you use and whether you syphon or have a tap etc. Worry about all that later though. FOr now, spend a bit more on grain and make a bit more wort than you think you'll need.

When brewing on your stovetop, to increase the vigour of the boil, float a large stainless steel bowl on top of your wort to reduce the surface area.

:peace:
PP
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Post #1594 made 11 years ago
Hey PistolPatch,

Just wanted to say thanks for you help with my first BIAB! I had very few problems. Well, maybe I could have insulated my pot better as I dropped a good 7/8 degrees (ended up adding hot water). Still, apparently I got like 80% efficiency and a 6.4% version of Jaipur!

Building another recipe now, I'll try to do it on my own! Doing a 2.5 Gal Pure BIAB batch this time so I don't have to top-up.

Post #1595 made 11 years ago
No problems Truanthony :peace:thomasrolewis
thomasrolewis wrote:...I dropped a good 7/8 degrees (ended up adding hot water).
Congratulations Thomas and thanks for letting us know how it went ;).

I'm a big fan of keeping a good eye on your temperature during your first few mashes at least. I wrote a tiny bit on this here. The other advantage of BIAB is that instead of adding hot water, you should be able to just add heat using your heat source (stove top, electric urn or gas burner.)

So maybe on the next brew, consider using no insulation and just agitating the mash and checking/correcting the temperature at say 10 minutes, 30 minutes and 75 minutes.

Good on you :salute:,
PP

[I'm going to be very erratic in the time I have available to spend here in the next three or so weeks so the above may be all I am able to contribute on this Thomas.]
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Post #1596 made 11 years ago
The cream ale turned out pretty good. It is currently conditioning but I had a little sample when I was bottling. Lower ABV than expected due to some brewing issues that I hope to correct next batch.

So now I'm ready for my next batch. I'm going to try a clone of Flying Monkeys Smashbomb Atomic IPA which is one of my favourite beers.

Here is a link to the clone recipe http://www.hoptomology.com/wordpress/wp ... clone.html

I've also attached the BIABacus

I tried to use a recipe that had some "twists", like FWH and Dry Hopping, to see if I could get them right in the BIABacus. For some reason the colour and the IBUs don't match the original

I know the mash temp seems high, but the original creator said there was a need to do this to achieve his ABV and colour. Let me know if I got it right.

Thanks


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Recipe Overview

Brewer: Flying Monkeys
Style: IPA
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Original Gravity (OG): 1.061
IBU's (Tinseth): 52.1
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.85
Colour: 24.6 EBC = 12.5 SRM
ABV%: 5.9

Efficiency into Boil (EIB): 82.6 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 74.4 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash)

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 69 C = 156.2 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 10 days at 20 C = 68 F

Volumes & Gravities
(Note that VAW below is the Volume at Flame-Out (VFO) less shrinkage.)

Total Water Needed (TWN): 18.24 L = 4.82 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 17.26 L = 4.56 G @ 1.039
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 10.49 L = 2.77 G @ 1.061
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 9.45 L = 2.5 G @ 1.061
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 8.75 L = 2.31 G @ 1.015 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

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87.6% 2 row pale (5.9 EBC = 3 SRM) 2292 grams = 5.05 pounds
6.5% Caramel/Crystal 57L (112.3 EBC = 57 SRM) 170 grams = 0.37 pounds
5.3% Victory (49.3 EBC = 25 SRM) 139 grams = 0.31 pounds
0.6% Black Malt (985 EBC = 500 SRM) 16 grams = 0.03 pounds


The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

17.6 IBU Citra Pellets (14%AA) 5.7 grams = 0.202 ounces at 60 mins (First Wort Hopped)
21.2 IBU Citra Pellets (14%AA) 19.1 grams = 0.672 ounces at 10 mins
5.6 IBU Centennial Pellets (10%AA) 12.7 grams = 0.448 ounces at 5 mins
7.8 IBU Citra Pellets (14%AA) 12.7 grams = 0.448 ounces at 5 mins
0 IBU Centennial Pellets (10%AA) 6.4 grams = 0.224 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)
0 IBU Citra Pellets (14%AA) 6.4 grams = 0.224 ounces at 0 mins (Dry Hopped)

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full Volume Mash) for 90 mins at 69 C = 156.2 F

Miscellaneous Ingredients

0.25 tab Whirfloc (Boil) 5 Mins - Clarity

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: Y

Chilling Method: Chiller

Fermentation& Conditioning

Fermention: Safale US-05 for 10 days at 20 C = 68 F

Secondary Used: Y
Crash-Chilled: N
Filtered: N

Special Instructions/Notes on this Beer

In primary for 10 days. Rack into secondary and dry hop for last 7 days
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Post #1597 made 11 years ago
You're going to want to put 20.744 in the beginning of Section D, as you have the boil volume there incorrectly.

Still, the recipe IBU calculations will not match. Perhaps they are using Rager? Dunno.
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Post #1599 made 11 years ago
Trevor and Rick,

This net recipe is wakky! To match the 70 IBU and bitterness ratio of 1.148, you need to remove the Section D VAW value and enter 70 IBU in the other spot. This gives the value on the BIABacus in Section A of "1.148".

p.s. 5.48 gallons end of boil volume is 20.744 L (hot) which converts to 19.97 L (VAW), but both of these values returned to wrong IBU anyway.

:peace:
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Post #1600 made 11 years ago
yeah, I tried that too .. but this changes the recipe. As you say, wacky and seriously lacks integrity any way we go about it really.
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