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Planning 1st BIAB - help with recipe

Post #1 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
I have a 19L stock pot and have spotted an offer from an online supplier which I would like to take up. The offer is:-
Choose up to 4kg in total combination of any of these grains:

Pale Malt, Lager Malt, Amber Malt, Munich Malt, Vienna Malt, Crystal Malt, Roasted Barley, Chocolate Malt, Black Malt.

Add a 100 gram pack of vacuum packed hops:

Admiral, Marynka, Liberty, Fuggles, Goldings, Hallertauer Hersbrucker or Saaz.

And a sachet of yeast all for £9.99
Now the plan is to have a rich dark bitter with an ABV of 4.5-5% so my planed grain is :-

3.2kg Pale Malt
600g Crystal Malt
200g Chocolate Malt

But I have no knowledge of what hops to use and how many to put in when, nor do have the know what brew length to aim for. I would expect to do a maxi-biab, but guess that I should be aiming for 19L with that grain bill rather than a full 23L.

Obviously only using 1 hop is restrictive but as this is my 1st attempt and I may not take to AG brewing I don't want to buy a load of hops and grains that I may never end up using.

Marynka seems the only one on that list which is a dual purpose hop so I was thinking that would be the way to go, but any advice would be gratefully received.
Last edited by Jeltz on 24 Aug 2012, 17:23, edited 2 times in total.
Regards

Nic

Post #2 made 13 years ago
by joshua
Good Day Jeltz, This recipe is like a Single-Malt-And-Single-Hop "SMASH" but has Multiple Malts. Yep, MMASH.

The use of Duel Purpose hops is good!

Two Questions.....What level of Bitterness do you want??? and Do you have a brewing program???

Marynka is a high Alpha acid hop (10%-12%) and can be used as flavor and aroma.

Ball Park use could be 25G for 60 minutes, 25grams at 15 minutes, and 25-35g at 7 minutes.

This will have high britterness and strong "Saaz" type flavor. So be sure to adjust grams for you taste


OR drop each addition to 10grams each, and have a slightly balanced malty beer!

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Post #3 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
1)Middling amounts of bitterness, I don't suppose that's very helpful is it....
2)No I don't yet, but like all of this I don't want to invest loads until I'm sure I'm going to like AG brewing. If there are decent free ones I use both Linux and Windows 7.

TBH since I posted this I have been looking at The Old Speckled Hen Clone thread.

I could do a very similar scaled down version and the additional £4 for some Northern Brewer hops would be fine, the different yeast (muntons I believe) might make a lot of difference though I suppose.
Last edited by Jeltz on 24 Aug 2012, 21:59, edited 2 times in total.
Regards

Nic

Post #5 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
I've looked at that calculator before but unless I'm missing something it doesn't seem to allow for a Maxi BIAB, whoch is what I would have to go for, I've just downloaded that software and will have a look at that too.

Many thanks

Nic
Regards

Nic

Post #6 made 13 years ago
by joshua
Good Day Jeltz, I don't want to piss off PP....But I have Maxi-BIAB by getting the total water needed in a couple of pots, then add the bag and grains to the kettle.

Then slowly fill the kettle with the measured water, until it is nearly full.

Get another pot or reuse the first water pot and remove the wet grain bag from the kettle and place it in the empty pot.

Then, heat the kettle to your Infusion temperature, and put the grain bag back, and mash.

Heat the remaining measure water to Sparge temperature, and Mashout the kettle when it is time.

Then remove the bag from the kettle, and Sparge however you like.

Yep, it is a bit complicated the first time, but gets easier from then on.
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Post #7 made 13 years ago
by PistolPatch
joshua wrote:Good Day Jeltz, I don't want to piss off PP....
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I think I spent about three hours doing a Maxi-BIAB recdipe conversion earlier tonight Josh so no way I am complaining!!! (Can't wait for the bloody BIABacus to be released - it will save hours!!!!)

I may have written some helpful stuff from here on though :think: Hope I did!!!

;)
PP
Last edited by PistolPatch on 24 Aug 2012, 23:23, edited 2 times in total.
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Post #8 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
Thanks for the help.

I think that so long as I get on OK with my 1st brew I'll order a 50L stock pot and make a chiller. I've a couple of non brewing related items I could flog to fund it so all's good.

At least then I wouldn't have to worry about conversions, trub space and so forth.
Regards

Nic

Post #9 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
Right I've been going round and around in circles trying to get brew target to work with a dilution or to get the maxi-Baib calculator to help me work out the hop bill and I'm about at the point that my netbook is going to be hurled at the wall if I carry on.
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I have had figures for IBU ranging from 44 to 74 depending on what I've tried and its all been counter intuitive so obviously something I'm doing is totally and utterly wrong. 40-45 is what I'm after BTW but other calculations were wrong.

I have place the following order

3.3kg Pale Malt
0.7kg Crystal Malt

Marynka hops 7%AA 100g
Goldings hops 5%AA 100g

I have a stainless steel 19L stock pot, 30cm diameter 27cm tall, I'm wanting a brew length of 19L I'm guessing the sparge volume will be about 4L and the top up in the fermenter will be about 2L

My initial guess at hop additions was
Marynka 7%AA 35g @ 60 mins
Goldings 5%AA 20 @ 15 mins
Goldings 5%AA 10 @ 5 mins

If anyone that knows what they are doing would be kind enough to plug those figures into a calculator that would be great equally if its a spread sheet and they can save it completed and email it to me that would be even better. jeltz69@googlemail.com

Obviously if anyone is going to send me the calcs please reply to this thread to say you have please so that nobody else spends time on it.

many thanks in advance

Nic
Last edited by Jeltz on 26 Aug 2012, 04:37, edited 2 times in total.
Regards

Nic

Post #10 made 13 years ago
by PistolPatch
What original gravity are you chasing Jeltz? Once we know this, we can work out the maximum volume you can brew and how your kettle will relate to this volume.

As for bitterness calculations, there are three main formulas and none of them agree with each other. Tinseth is regarded as best for all-grain but some programs actually have the the formula for this incorrect so it's a very messy area unfortunately.

Anyway, let us know the OG you're after and we'll get you sorted.

;)
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Post #12 made 13 years ago
by PistolPatch
Okay Jeltz,

Bear in mind that until you do a few brews, estimates are exactly that. Hopefully the below will get you into the ball park...

Firstly, with 4 kg of grain and an OG of 1.044, the maximum End of Boil Volume (at ambient) we can expect is about 22.75 litres less say 2.25 litres of trub (if you are careful with your trub management, leaving you with 20.5 litres into the fermentor.

But, your kettle is not big enough to handle this so we, of course have to look at dilutions and sparging. There are practical limits to these. For example, a super-thick mash can become problematic as can topping up your fermentor with too much water. These are only two of many factors which involves a lot of juggling of figures.

Because of all this juggling, I've had to use the beta BIABacus and unfortunately it is not available for public release as yet. I can give you a plan though. The following is stretching things to the limit but should maximise what you can get from your grain bill and kettle size.

(I'm not sure what lovibond your crystal is but have guessed it is 40).

Recipe Overview

Brewer: Jeltz
Style:
Source Recipe Link:

Original Gravity (OG): 1.044
IBU's (Tinseth): 42.5
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.97
Colour: 9.4
ABV%: 4.37

Efficiency into Kettle (EIK): 74.6
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 67.2

Note: This is a Maxi-BIAB recipe. 15 L = 3.96 G held back from mash. (See "Mash Steps" below).

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 66 C = 150.8 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 14 days at 20 C = 68 F

Volumes & Gravities

Total Water Needed (TWN): 26.97 L = 7.12 G
Volume into Kettle (VIK): 16.07 L = 4.25 G @ 1.057
End of Boil Volume - Ambient (EOBV-A): 15.09 L = 3.99 G @ 1.061
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 18.1 L = 4.78 G @ 1.044
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 17.43 L = 4.6 G @ 1.010 assuming apparent attenuation of 77 %

The Fermentables Bill

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82.5% Pale Ale Malt (1.8 SRM = 3.5 EBC) 3300 grams = 7.28 pounds
17.5% Crystal (40 SRM = 78.8 EBC) 700 grams = 1.54 pounds

The Hop Bill

Based on pellet hops and Tinseth IBUs.

34.2 IBU Marynka (7%AA) 42.6 grams = 1.502 ounces at mins
6.9 IBU Goldings (5%AA) 24.3 grams = 0.858 ounces at mins
1.4 IBU Goldings (5%AA) 12.2 grams = 0.429 ounces at mins

Hop Management

Hopsock Used: Yes

Mash Steps

Maxi-BIAB (Part Volume Mash) for 90 mins at 66 C = 150.8 F
Mashout for for 0 mins at 78 C = 172.4 F
[Hot] Strike Water Needed: 12.2 L = 3.22 G
Water Used in a Sparge: 6 L = 1.59 G
Water Added During Boil: 4 L = 1.06 G
Water Added to Fermentor: 5 L = 1.32 G

I think the above should get you under way. The main thing is to jump in and brew it. All should be good :P,

PP
Last edited by PistolPatch on 26 Aug 2012, 06:57, edited 2 times in total.
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Post #13 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
Thanks a lot PP that is fantastic.

The website isn't giving the lovibond of the crystal so likewise I was guessing it was middling.

I was very close to those figures on one of my calculations so I know which way to go in the future thanks.

It will be a couple of weeks before brew day, I want to make sure I have a clear day, but will post as to how it goes.
Regards

Nic

Post #14 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
Right having bought that electric boiler I now have better capacity....

I can put in much more water at the mash to achieve the same kind of brew length.

I'm still aiming for 19L brew length, otherwise I'll get a beer which is weaker than I want.

Would you be able to advise what should do differently as I'm assuming that the volume of hops should be reduced.


The boiler is 29L to the rim.
Regards

Nic

Post #15 made 13 years ago
by Jeltz
Thanks for all your help guys, I have fiddled about with the recipe (again) and come up with a brew plan using Brew target.

I wonder if anyone could have a look over it and see if they think its OK or if I have missed anything/made any significant errors. I shall be doing an overnight mash and my kettle is about 30L to the rim.

Many thanks

Nic
Last edited by Jeltz on 03 Sep 2012, 23:16, edited 2 times in total.
Regards

Nic

Post #16 made 13 years ago
by joshua
Good Day Jeltz, I have Brew target, and the plan looks pretty good.

I have changed my use of times to measured volume to ensure my Volume(EOBV) is correct (times can vary +-15minutes)
Last edited by joshua on 04 Sep 2012, 00:20, edited 1 time in total.
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