smyrnaquince wrote:BobBrews,
Wow! Thank you. These guys ran experiments rather than just saying "It always works for me."
I need to re-think what I want to do regarding rehydrating yeast.
I'll stop spouting off on forums about rehydrating yeast.
Hold on Dave! I think you are being way too hard on yourself. Those experiments are very inconclusive and, in many aspects, contradictory. Your original question and the above links etc have got me re-visiting the subject for the first time in several years. I know a bit more now than I did several years ago. For example...
There is one massively, major thing that hasn't been mentioned once, anywhere that I have seen...
Yeast is killed or at least severely offended by most tap water.
I only found this out when I started making sourdough bread in the last few years. My teacher stressed that you must filter the water. Never before had I heard this advice on a brewing forum or in a brewing book. This is however the most basic and most important advice in looking after your bread yeast.
So, this one fact might explain several contradictions we have seen in the links above. One person re-hydrating with tap water just brought to the boil and cooled is probably killing half their yeast whilst another one re-hydrating their yeast with water that is totally chlorine-free will not be getting that problem. A person using warm water straight out of the tap will be getting the biggest problem of all.
If you are re-hydrating then I think you should be wort acclimatising as well.
If my conclusion above is right, then by not using filtered water to re-hydrate, I was probably doing a lot of damage in the days when I used to re-hydrate. One thing I did do however which I still think now is right, was to gradually add wort to the re-hydrated solution.
So, I think that if you are re-hydrating, you should also be 'proofing' - i.e. exposing the yeast to 'sugar' gradually.
If sprinkling, are you doing it onto bubbles?
In my mind, there is a big difference between dumping dried yeast directly on to the top of a liquid wort than there is in sprinkling it over a freshly aerated wort where there is a sea of fine wort bubbles. When I sprinkle, I am sprinkling onto a sea of fine wort bubbles. This suspends the dried yeast.
I think that the dried yeast being held in suspension probably does two things. Firstly, it allows one part of the yeast cell wall to be penetrated first rather than the complete cell wall being assaulted in an instant. The problems of a full on assault are described in Dave's first link.
Secondly... well, I think that one point above negates all/most secondary things
.
What I'd like to see/know...
I'd like to know, in the above experiments, how many brewers used filtered water in their yeast hydration. I'd especially like to know this in Jacques Bertens's experiments. I suspect in his experiments, the water was not chlorine-free.
I'd like to see, in future that those who re-hydrate are more specifically instructed to ensure firstly, that their water is made chlorine-free and secondly, that they do some sort of proofing (requires sugar/extract or wort).
What I'll do next...
Thanks to Dave raising this topic, on my next brews, I am going to try re-hydrating/proofing again but with chlorine-free water. There's one niggly thing I have had in some of my beers over the last several years which most people don't notice. I'd be interested to see if correct re-hydration/proofing makes it disappear.
PP
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