Hopping

1. Late Wort Hopping

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   First post by joshua, 12 years ago

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   Late Wort Hopping
   
   There is a way to add Hop bitterness, Flavor, or Amorma AFTER the Boil is finish.
   
   Below is the data about the Most Important Hop Oils used in BEER Brewing.
   
   Essential oils
   Alpha acids
   
   The alpha acids are the hop components most familiar to home brewers. Every package of hops sold to homebrewers indicates the alpha acid percentage to allow the brewer to calculate the bitterness he or she wants in the finished beer. The alpha acid percentage represents the amount of the...

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   well a blind tasting is in
   
   I had 4 guys do the test, each had 4 beers in front of them, labeled a, b, c, d. they were actually just 2 beers, both a simple blonde ale, when the mash was finished the wort was separated into 2 pots. Now one was hopped right away and the other hopped when the boil started. no finishing hops were used.
   
   2 of the guys were able to match the correct beers, of those 2 they stated that the one which was FWHed was smoother. they did not know what the difference was.
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2. 2nd Round of IBU Testing Results (6 Beers...)

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   First post by Scott, 8 years ago

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   I posted results from my first round of IBU testing results several months ago, same Hopping . Below are my most recent results. Testing date was last Monday, 3/20/3017.
   
   When people have their beer tested, frequently / normally it winds up low in IBUs, and frequently the home brewer blames bitterness estimation formulas (Tinseth, Rager, Garetz, etc.), which of course are not perfect... Would the formula(s) be more accurate if they used just tested fresh hops, where they could trust the listed...

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   Thanks Streamer.
   
   I'm not totally writing it off, but may have to adjust it some and with pellets have it apply a lower percentage. Or perhaps the hop spider made a large impact too. Not certain... :scratch:
   
   Seemed like it was working pretty well until my last batch of testing...beer from spring on, where I was way over on everything. Which is causing me to question everything.
   
   For my last two brews I calculated to see what it said and then adjusted it some.
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3. Lupulin Powder

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   First post by PistolPatch, 8 years ago

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   Has anyone had time to research this?
   
   I had a Feral Finn Diesel here in Ozland last week and loved it. I just received an email that said, Feral Finn Diesel IPA
   
   Inhale the intoxicating exhaust of pine, perfume and citrus as this rust bucket of a beer shudders and backfires sweet, heady fumes deep into the atmosphere.
   A front and centre stage for the new-to-market hop product Lupulin Powder, Finn Diesel uses both Simcoe and Citra extracts throughout multiple stages of the brewing process to...

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   Michael Tonsmeire is sharing his recipes and experience with Lupulin Powder on The Mad Fermentationist blog.
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4. First wort hopping experiments

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   First post by Jamato, 8 years ago

   

   My First Wort Hopping experiments
   
   If you ar following the FWH thread you see I have doen some experiments in this system, It highly interest me as I do like hops, but I do not like hash hops.
   
   I am not a scientist, I do not even know how to measure how harsh hops can be except blind testing.
   
   So I am doing just that, I have 4 friends who are trying to identify which beers are what, how I brew is I make 5 gallons of wort, divide that and do one FWH and the other I add at the onset of the boil....
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5. Dry Hopping - How, What and How many?

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   First post by tota76, 11 years ago

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   Hi,
   I'm brewing my second beer an american pale ale
   this is the recipe,
   
   Recipe Overview
   
   Style: American Pale Ale
   
   Original Gravity (OG): 1,053
   IBU's (Tinseth): 30
   Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0,57
   Colour: 11,2 EBC = 5,7 SRM
   
   The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)
   
   83,3% Pale Malt Maris Otter (5,5 EBC = 2,8 SRM) 8319 grams = 18,34 pounds
   11,1% Cara-Pils/Dextrine (4,5 EBC = 2,3 SRM) 1109 grams = 2,45 pounds
   3,9% Wheat Malt (15 EBC = 7,6 SRM) 388 grams = 0,86 pounds...

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   is there a theory as to the efficiency of hop sack vs free floating dry hops in the ability to add hop aroma oils to the beer? I am ready to dry hop an IPA and am waffling between the bag or no bag.
   
   Also at day 5 if bagged is it a good thought to remove at say day 10 when planning on racking to bottles on day 14 (FG willing, of course)
   
   cheers,
   
   j
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6. First Wort Hopping II

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   First post by joshua, 9 years ago

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   A few Questions have Come up about FWH.
   
   To Start check onclick= window.open(this.href);return false;
   
   And onclick= window.open(this.href);return false; ... t-results/
   
   also, onclick= window.open(this.href);return false; ... t-hopping/
   
   In interest of Self Promotion....
   see viewtopic.php?f=150&t=2215 for Late wort hopping, and how the Hop Oils get distributed by Temperature.
   
   Admin note: Joshua has experimented with FWH and has some first-hand experience with the results (which I have added to...

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   Scott, that is enough of an answer for me to do it.
   
   I do many pilsners and lagers, I prefer lagers over ales and my favorite beer style is a Marzin/Vienna.
   
   I am not saying I do not do ales, I do about half and half because there are many ale styles I like.
   
   But reading about FWHing it appears the style would work great with light lagers, and for some reason heavy ales like Scotch ales. where the bitter needs to be really balanced
   I was going do a continental lager this Saturday but I did not...
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7. Do Hops Lose AA Content, Even With Proper Storage?

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   First post by Scott, 9 years ago

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   I had a situation recently where brewed a couple beers with Santiam hops @ 7.9% AA. Both were under hopped in my opinion...not the recipe. Flavor good - just not enough... Hops had been properly stored, and looked and smelled great. My feeling was somehow the AA, if correct initially, had somehow dropped dramatically. (?)
   
   Brewed a beer yesterday and I took the above Santiam hops (FWH, 15 min and 1 min) and multiplied the 7.9% AA and multiplied by 70% for a 5.5% AA estimate. Used Magnums for...

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   This PDF might be interesting to read.  Formulas are mentioned regarding hop storage losses on page 63 and 64.
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8. A Tale of 2 Pilsners...Bitterness, Tinseth estimates, etc.

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   First post by Scott, 8 years ago

   

   I have two batches of Pilsner on tap now (among 6 total on tap...lots, too much to brew more right now). Some interesting notes in bitterness, and at least calculated bitterness with our BIABacus and it's Tinseth formula. Reviewing Lumpy's  Post  this morning made me think about this...
   
   Tale of 2 Pilsners:
   1) Czech Pilsner - supposed to have IBU of around 40. Instead of Saaz (CZ or US), used Sterling hops (US) - 100%. Sterling is supposed to be very similar. Tastes like it has some Citrus in...
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9. Is There A Fix For Under-Hopped Beer?

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   First post by Scott, 9 years ago

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   I recently finished a batch of beer that wound up under-hopped. Long story on why... Does anyone have a fix for this? :scratch:
   
   I was considering making a Hop Tea and blending it into the beer... Perhaps pour all into a cleaned and sanitized fermenter, then back into the Corney Keg.

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   Thanks ninja_drift.  
   Seems like I remember pros mentioning using intense Hop additions if hops don't wind up as bitter as they want. Maybe I will experiment with it...
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10. IBU Additions with BIAB

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    First post by davemo, 9 years ago

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    Hello all, I have a question perhaps you folks can help me with . I am brewing a beer that after calculating the grain absorption i will start with 8.5 gallons . I lose 2 gallons per hour to boil off and want to end the boil with 6.5 gallons of which i will transfer 5.5 to my fermenter.So boiling 60 minutes would give me the 6.5 gallons in theory. I want the finished beer to have around 20 /25 IBU bitterness so how can i calculated how much of a given AA unit hops to add at the beginning of my...

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    Like Scott said, BIABacus is the spreadsheet that does all the calculations for you. :peace:
    
    But if you want to quickly run a calculation this is Glenn Tinseth's online calculator.
    
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11. Leftover hops

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    First post by Jomay, 9 years ago

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    Hi all
    
    Was not sure where to post this and thought this a reasonable place. In the UK, which is where I am, hops are mostly bought in 100 gm packs. Over the last year or so, trying out various types of beers, I have a load of left over hops stored in my freezer. Some can be used in rebrewing the brews I liked but there are a load of various others that were used in beers that didnt appeal and I will not brew again. So the question is what do other brewers do with them? Throw them away, or use...

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    Remember that hops added 60 minutes out will just add bitterness. So the aroma and flavor won't matter much. Higher AA the more bitterness you get. And lots of hops can go well together in aroma / flavor (so starting at 15 minutes from end of boil on and through flameout.
    
    Review the hop descriptions and make sure you don't see any real red flags... Then beyond that just use your judgement and...what's the worst that can happen?
    
    If concerned about a particular hop variety's flavor meshing...
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12. Hop Sock

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    First post by goulaigan, 10 years ago

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    So, after just over a year of BIAB and somewhere around 20 batches under my belt, I finally decided to use a hopsock. Brewed a black IPA that I designed and had 7 oz of hops to add during the boil (and 3 more for dry hop), so I decided to do as recommended here so many times and use my BIAB bag for the hops. I think the reason I haven't done this before is I've always dumped the grain and cleaned the bag after the brewday is done, probably due to laziness the first few times and then it just...

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    for small batch BIAB, aquarium media bags are convenient, they come in different sizes to match your use and big box pet stores as well as aquarium shops carry them.
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13. IBU Test on Beer (to Help Determine Hopping Levels...)

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    First post by Scott, 9 years ago

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    Decided to send in some samples to the Oregon BrewLab to get a feel for how far off my beers' IBUs might or might not be... Was $10 US per sample for the four samples, plus shipping...which seemed pretty reasonable, for R&D purposes. I'll list the 4 brews that I sent in, along with what adjustments were done (if any), estimated IBUs (Tins.) with the BIABacus, along with what IBUs were tested at.
    
    As some of you know, I've been working a bunch over the past couple months to put together...

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    Scott and Contrarian, to drag up an old link about the essential hop oils and the Temperatures, they Dissolve/Melt,
    
    Check
    
    There are many Melting Temperatures and Boil-off Temperatures.
    
    JMHO YMMV
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14. low cost DIY hop spider

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    First post by balli1990, 11 years ago

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    So I made a hop spider today, was super simple/easy and cheep. I had most of he bits already, heres what you need.
    
    - Rope
    - 5 to 4 extractor fan reducer
    - voile hop sock with drawstring
    - short length of syphon tube
    
    step ONE
    drill 4 holes equal distance apart through the narrow part of the reducer.
    step TWO
    take to pieces of rope of equal length thread each end through the holes and tie a knot in the ends.
    
    step THREE
    Take a piece of syphon tube and cut to the same length as the...

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    A hop bomb's worth of soggy hops may absorb too much liquid and pull off the bag? So make sure the bag is attached well. Also the moist steam may (Sticky`fie) the hops as they enter the restricted neck and clog. Good luck and keep the brain churning out ideas. (note: most new ideas are in the fourth or fifth version?)
    
    Cheers
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15. Is there any point in using aroma/noble hops for bittering?

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    First post by Kangarooster, 9 years ago

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    Hello,
    
    As I understand it, hops added in the beginning of the brew mostly contribute to bitterness - other flavors diminish due to the heat and time spent in the kettle. Still I see many recipes calling for early additions (sometimes even as FWH) of noble hops, when in fact one could use a fraction of the amount by adding bittering hops, such as magnum, with over twice the %AA. This saves money, both because bittering hops are cheaper (at least where I live) but also due to the fact that you...

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    Traditionally some of the higher AA hops were not available. Some folks want to stay true to some historical styles so they will use these lower AA hops.
    I personally us Magnum unless I am brewing a pilsner or something else that calls for low bitterness.
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16. Hop addition Exbeeriment

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    First post by Primavera, 9 years ago

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    Hello all
    
    Has anyone read
    
    I have transitioned to a small bittering charge at 60 minutes and a large hop addition at flameout with a generous dry hop.
    
    Now this article indicates there is not much difference and IBU calculations ay not be worth as much as we think.
    
    Thoughts?

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    I wait a couple of minutes after flame-out just to record my VFO. I am electric and no chill, so I recirculate and will keep it from falling below 190 °F by way of PID. No chill, I like to drain into container no lower than 190 °F. It's all one big exbeeriment :lol: for me. YMMV
    
    Rick uses gas, so I would guess he does NOT add any more heat after flame-out. :dunno:
    
    I used to flame on to bump the temperature up, but I don't bother anymore. Now that I do larger batches with other heated...
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17. homegrown hops

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    First post by jrodie, 12 years ago

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    I just harvested from my cascade hop vines for the first time this year. I think I got enough for one real good dry hopping. Some of the hops near the top had turned completely brown but still smelled good. Is there any reason not to use these? Also now that the hops are picked should I cut the vines down at the ground and let them re-grow next year?
    
    thanks :drink:

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    I just used some hops growing wild here in Copenhagen. They seem noble in nature: spicy, lemony. But I used them in a tiny batch for bittering, assuming it was something like 3%AA, and as a finishing hop in an 80 Shilling ale.
    
    Use em!
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18. To much hops

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    First post by Philip321, 10 years ago

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    I've added to much hops to this brew (Below) and would like to know what I can do about it. The taste of the beer is far to bitter. This is only my second brew and I did not follow the recipe completely as written.
    
    Should I make another batch with only 25% of the hops and then mix the two batches together? Or what should I do?
    
    This is the URL for the original recipe
    
    Hoporific Landlord - Batch 1
    
    Recipe Overview
    
    Brewer: Tim
    Style: Bitter
    Source Recipe Link:
    
    Original Gravity (OG): 1.044...

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    Post #1 looked good, how does what you're saying now differ?
    
    Post your file with what you got.
    
    Sent from my XT1053 using Tapatalk
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19. 90 Minute Bittering Hop Addition (Instead of 60 Minute)

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    First post by Scott, 10 years ago

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    I was at one of our local microbreweries yesterday and was talking with one of the Brewers. On their Bohemian Pilsner they use a 90 minute Bittering hop addition (Magnum), then nothing until flavor and aroma additions near the end, think it was 15 min and 1 min (and Saaz & Tettnanger, 50/50 split). Said doing 90 minute was more effective than 60 minute in creating bitterness, get more done with less hops... I plugged this into the BIABacus this morning and it also showed the brew would be more...

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    RedWino - if you do this make sure you post and let us know exactly what you did and what the results were... I'm still intrigued by the idea of FWH.
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20. Dry/fresh hops vs pellets

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    First post by kmmacker, 10 years ago

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    Hi
    Is there a difference when using dry hops or pellet hops when you are measuring out a recipe?
    
    Pellets look so much more concentrated?
    
    Thanks
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    Some very interesting points
    Thanks
    K
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21. One-legged 'MONO' Hop Spider Video

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22. skunk risk

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    First post by BDP, 10 years ago

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    Hi,
    
    I boil my wort outside on a propane burner, but bring the kettle inside to chill. Is there a risk of skunking the wort by virtue of the UV light exposure during the 90 minute boil?
    
    Cheers
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    BDP, Humulene, Melts above 168F/75C, Boils off at 194F/90C.
    
    As the wort boils Humulene goes to Iso-Humulene, and if the wort is boiled for more than a few minutes, the Iso-Humulene is pretty much Gone.
    
    The hops that do this, are used as Flavor or Aroma Hop Additions, So skunky-ness can only happen toward the End of boil and After.
    
    If you brew out of Direct Sunlight, there is Very Little Chance the wort can go Skunky.
    
    And if you Bottle in Brown Bottles, there is no way for the beer to go...
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23. Need advice this morning.

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    First post by nicko, 11 years ago

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    Brewing in a couple hours time so need some advice..
    
    Last time I did a pale ale I hopped in the cube only, one cube simcoe and one galaxy, it worked well with wort transferred around 90C and left to naturally cool overnight.
    
    I'm thinking today of doing the same with galaxy and citra, or I'll add galaxy as 10min and 5min additions as per the recipe and dry hop them with separate hops?
    
    BIABacus and recipe are here:
    
    Thoughts?
    
    Pros: two different pale ales
    
    Cons: fair bit of hops in the...

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    Cool thanks mate, I need to get more drinkers around so I have more brewing sessions!
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24. Adjusting for pellets in a bag?

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    First post by onkeltuka, 11 years ago

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    So I'm gonna brew the All Amarillo APA with Cascade pellets. I tried to calculate new amounts in grams considering the slightly different AA's, and I think I got that about right, but does the BIABicus have pellets or flowers as default, as should I adjust for that? And what about using a hop bag, is there adjusting there too?
    
    Thanks!

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    Sort on time onk but here is a pic... 2014-08-06_21-13-12.jpg Hopefully that shows how pellets are the default and how to vary from that.
    
    Your topic title also mentions, ...in a bag. There is no adjustment for that. I know you might have read that somewhere else but ignore that advice. Any hop bag or 'sock' that is properly designed (such as your BIAB bag) will not limit your hop utilisation.
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25. IBU discrepancy

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    First post by DigB, 11 years ago

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    I am just waiting to try my first bottle of a Guinness clone I made recently and I have a question regarding my IBU's.
    I was aiming for 46 IBU Tinseth which according to BIABacus I hit the mark but I plugged in the recipe to iBrewmaster on my iPhone and it's telling me the IBU's are 65 Tinseth. Why is this? It was a single addition of hops right at 90 min should I have waited till 60 min?

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    Many programs have errors in their IBU calculations. For example they use the gravity into boil instead of the gravity at the end of the boil and/or use the volume into fermentor instead of the volume into fermentor plus the kettle to fermentor loss. One major program had both these errors for many years. Until just now, I was under the impression that they had corrected both errors after we pointed it out quite some time ago but a quick check now shows that both errors are still present...
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