The Midas Touch - Going Pro

Post #1 made 11 years ago
Commercial beers are so awful, and people love really good beer. There must be a huge potential business opportunity for home brewers to expand. Home brewers have the Midas touch!

I just started googling it. Found a link to a book on starting your own microbrewery/craft brewery here and a newspaper article about a new startup that can’t keep up with demand here

Has anyone looked into it? Does anyone know anyone who has done that? How does a craft brewery brew beer? Can we learn anything from their brewing techniques? Anything wrong with a massive pot with a big bag in it, a tap on the bottom and no chill?
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Post #2 made 11 years ago
If you can go to a Craft Brewery(common in America), you can talk with the Owner about Licenses, taxes, Insurance, the avearge sales, the Size of the Kettles, and Almost how much they sell.

Most I have talked with, are very proud of the operation, and like to talk about it.

Try to visit early in the day, often before they Open(call ahead if you can)

Hope this helps!!
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Post #3 made 11 years ago
You can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting a microbrewery.....missed that bus about 5 years ago. :-(
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Post #4 made 11 years ago
Joshua. That’s a good idea.

Todd. Around here there are a few pubs that brew their own beer. I used to like the beer before I started making my own, but now I can’t bare to drink it. My wife the same. It isn’t anything to write home about. I suspect it’s made with too much emphasis on profit and not enough emphasis on taste. It would be easy to take them on, I think.

Lylo started a thread about Braumeisters today, They make a 200L 50gal one. A few of those might make a microbrewery.

I think you could leave the wort in that thing after pulling out the spent grain, and no chill with the lid on. Ferment the wort right in there (the whole unit would be sterilized from the boil). 10 days later keg or bottle into growlers.

Maybe even dispense the beer right from the unit. Of course dispensing would suck air into the unit and oxidise the beer, but a floating disc that sealed the surface and dropped with the beer level might keep the air out, or even a large sheet of seran wrap/cling film sitting on the surface. Perhaps intermittently purge the dead space with a bit of CO2.

If you called it "real ale", it would be trendy, and you'd get away with it being a bit cloudy and a bit flat.

When I was at college in the UK, we would frequently have weekend parties, and we would order real ale from the local real ale brewery. You would have to order it about 10 days in advance. When the time came you would pick up this 5 gallon plastic barrel with a spigot on the bottom, full of murky, flattish, room temperature, and most delicious real ale. I believe it was fermented right in the plastic barrel as there was at least an inch of trub on the bottom (the spigot was just above the trub level). It was the most delicious stuff. We used to get so excited about it.
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Post #5 made 11 years ago
GuingesRock wrote: There must be a huge potential business opportunity for home brewers to expand. Home brewers have the Midas touch!
The other side of the coin !!

Once you go commercial it ceases to become homebrew and the "Midas touch" will evaporate. Doing something as a hobby is different than doing it for a living. When I decide to brew it is rarely planned more than 2 days in advance, sometimes I change my plans once I start, it all adds to the fun and I believe its this that makes my beer different. Now if I went all "micro" there would be recipes to follow/deadlines/bills/customers/supplies to organise / STAFF !! and then the F#@*ing TAX man !! . All the joy would go out of the process and it would stop being fun. I'm not saying it would be a bad career choice, there is a saying that to find the perfect job you just need to start doing your hobby for a living. But that's BS in my view as a job and a hobby need to be different or you are just taking your work home with you. I'm an electrical engineer and the back of my house has been waiting for a rewire for years, I know gardeners who's own back yards are a jungle. Sometimes a guy just has to do something completely different to the day job.

Anyway enough of my rambling, sorry if it seems that I'm trying to piss on ya chips, I'm really just sharing my thoughts on the subject.

:peace:

Yeasty
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Post #6 made 11 years ago
Yeasty wrote:piss on ya chips.

Yeasty
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeasty, I haven't heard that one. I've been away from England too long :sad: It might make a nice little retirement job though. You could actually drink at work (just to sample) and a few beers for your buddies and you'd have free labour. They paid the guys who built the pyramids with beer.

I came back on to add a real ale link: http://kenanddot.wordpress.com/2012/11/ ... en-option/
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Post #7 made 11 years ago
GuingesRock,

The show Brew Strong had a complete series about turning pro last year. Some of them might not pertain because of location but why not look at it? Good Luck!

http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/Brew-Strong

The cut and paste below are in reverse order!

Brew Strong: Going Pro - Wrap Up

Brew Strong finishes the Pro-gasm series
Broadcast date: 12-24-2012 Duration: 01:05:45 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Q&A

Brew Strong answers your going pro questions
Broadcast date: 12-10-2012 Duration: 01:01:23 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Nano Brewing

Brew Strong discusses starting up and running a nano brewery
Broadcast date: 11-26-2012 Duration: 01:07:19 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Pricing Beer

Brew Strong talks about pricing your beer in the market
Broadcast date: 11-12-2012 Duration: 01:15:39 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - GABF

Jamil and John Palmer discuss competing in the Great American Beer Festival
Broadcast date: 10-15-2012 Duration: 01:19:23 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Marketing

Jamil and John discuss marketing your pro craft brewery
Broadcast date: 10-01-2012 Duration: 01:27:12 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Distribution

Jamil and John discuss pro beer distribution
Broadcast date: 09-27-2012 Duration: 01:35:57 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Equipment

Brew Strong: Going Pro - Permits

Brew Strong continues the going-pro series with permits
Broadcast date: 08-20-2012 Duration: 01:14:26 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Finance

Brew Strong discusses financing your pro-brewery
Broadcast date: 08-06-2012 Duration: 01:18:33 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - Brewery Type

Jamil and John Palmer talk about getting started going pro and brewery types
Broadcast date: 07-23-2012 Duration: 01:21:27 MP3 available: Yes
Brew Strong: Going Pro - The Biz

Jamil and John Palmer begin another Going Pro Series
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Post #8 made 11 years ago
GuingesRock wrote:Joshua. That’s a good idea.

Lylo started a thread about Braumeisters today, They make a 200L 50gal one. A few of those might make a microbrewery.
On of the brewshops in Perth uses the braumeister 200L to make all grain wort kits. He sells the fresh wort kits off in 20L plastic no chill style cubes. This way he is not selling alcohol, so avoids the excise, but still manages to brew regularly and make some money from a higher quality product.
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Post #9 made 11 years ago
That's great Bob (I'll look at them after work), Aces High. Thanks

Major hoop jumping this one in Canada...licenses everywhere: License to brew, license to sell, license to take off site... :sad:

Must be an easier process in America if they are everywhere.
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Post #11 made 11 years ago
Lylo, "Others are waay more backwoods than us", your Kidding.

We have States where you can only buy 5.0% beer from 8am Monday to 11pm Saturday, if you CAN buy beer on Sunday, it is 3.0% or less.

We have 2 States that have Laws Against HomeBrewing.

If Canada is that bad, why are Americans(Seppo's) moving North, and VERY FEW canadians are coming South????
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Post #12 made 11 years ago
You guys need to get over to the UK;
We are able to buy 80% rum on Sundays from 10am until 4pm, and 24 hours a day at other times. :drink:

Off topic but you are also able to purchase Porn & fireworks (even at the same time), now that must make the Aussies jealous! :o
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Post #13 made 11 years ago
Porn, fireworks and rum...sounds great :party:

Having a premises where people come in and brew their own under supervision, using your equipment, is a loophole that is used in some places I think.
Some of the wine making supply shops have been doing that here with wine, but I think the government is cracking down on them now.
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Post #14 made 11 years ago
GuingesRock wrote:Porn, fireworks and rum...sounds great :party:
Sounds like Mevagissy back in the 80's. :sneak:
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Post #15 made 11 years ago
Today I took a day off. So did my wife. Life has been a bit stressful lately with legal wranglings with my x-wife (solved today) and my wife’s mother’s terminal illness (we all have our problems I know), so we badly needed a day off. Life has been has been emotionally exhausting and strategically virtually impossible lately.

We went to the Port Pub in Port Williams. It’s attached to a microbrewery. It is two separate businesses in the same building working in a symbiotic relationship.

So we had lunch there, and I had a glass of the brew masters Rojo Diablo Double IPA. I’d had a glass before, so this was my second glass, and I liked it even better than last time. Still not as good as my own beer, but it is rare that I like someone else’s. I was interested in what hops might be in there and asked the waitress, and she said “I don’t know but the brew master is right there sitting at the bar” and there he was eating his burger. I went up to him with my beer and said “I love this IPA. What are the hops? Are they Fuggles?” I was trying to sound intelligent and "in the know". Any way they were Amarillo :lol: I never tasted Amarillo before and I liked them.

We had our lunch and went around and asked the guy if we could have a tour of the microbrewery (Joshua’s idea, thanks Joshua). Kathleen, my wife smiled sweetly, chatted him up in her usual charming way, and impressed him with her knowledge and appreciation of his beer, and we ended up with a mega tour of his brewery and took about an hour of his time. That was a dream come true for me and a perfect event for a day off in a currently hectic life.

It was amazing! I told him about my SMaSH IPA with MO and Cascade and how I was thinking incorporating FWH into the recipe and he told me exactly what to do. He said to put half the cascade in the FWH and 25% for a 30 minute addition, and 25% for a 15 minute addition and That’s what I am going to do because he impressed me with his incredible knowledge. The IPA I was drinking was made with the same 50% FWH, 25% 30min and 25% 15 minute additions, but it also had dry hopping. If I remember correctly he said “double dry hopping" what-ever that means.

His brewing equipment was incredible too! He said “what you have to remember is brewing principals stay the same whether you are brewing at home or on a large scale”

That’s all I have to tell you because I am a bit tipsy on the guys IPA and it’s only mid afternoon.

Oh…and there is more. He does full volume mashing and doesn’t sparge!!! I said that’t what BIAB is all about, but he didn’t seem to know much about BIAB. He thought he was being revolutionary with his full volume mashing.

He had connections also to German breweries, which is where he got his FWH thing from. He described the brewery where he had connection in Germany and they put their beer in wooden casks and send them to the bar in a dumb waiter. Each cask was emptied in about 15 mins and then the next would be sent up. The casks were steam cleaned/sanitised.

Would anyone else describe their microbrewery tours?

And there’s more...He had three huge fermenting chambers each with its own cooling system and he could lager in them. One massive mash tun with a huge grain hopper with a built in mill above it. One huge kettle with a cluster of electric heating coils in it. Endless large “dispensing chambers” full of beer which seemed to be set at around 8 PSI CO2, but he said it varied. He carbonated the Beer with “carbonating stones” which were like hollow stainless steel rods with millions of fine perforations that screwed into the sides of the dispensing chambers.
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Post #16 made 11 years ago
Nice write up of a nice day out there GR. I've got some Amarillo in the freezer ready for a summer APA. I hope you gave him the Biabrewer.info site address so he can join the real Biab community. You never know he might learn something.. :lol:

Have the brewery got a web site ? email address ? I wouldn't mind seeing if they would part with there recipe..

:salute:

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Post #17 made 11 years ago
Hi Yeasty Thanks,

I was writing more when you posted.

…He works all the hours that God sends. Just him and “his girl” who was a sweet young employee of his, standing behind the counter waiting to sell beer. She smiled constantly and was so warm. I had no idea you could go in a door around the back of the pub and buy his beer and I suggested he should put a sign up. He said “no way” he couldn’t keep up with his orders as it was. He supplies pubs in Halifax. He bottled, and also had a canning machine and labelled the cans by hand for an authentic microbrewery touch.

It's called "Sea level brewery" Just remembered...he grows his own hops.

Here's his web site http://www.sealevelbrewing.com/

I just emailed him with a link to this thread and asked him if he wanted me to edit anything. I also asked him if he might post here. I don't think he would learn much though. That guy "knocked my socks off"

More thoughts on going pro: http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php ... 930#p29930
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