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Who has a BIABacus for Hop Hog (Aces High?)

Post #1 made 9 years ago
by nicko
Hi guys,

Plenty of historical chatter on the forum about a hop hog clone, particularly Aces High and PP. Would love a copy as it's my favourite beer atm. If it's a secret recipe I'd be happy with a copy via PM and would be happy not to share it, it will just save me $70ish a carton of 16...also the amount of browny points from SWMBO would be off the scale as she loves it too.

No rush, it would be an after Christmas brew, otherwise I'll make a BIABacus based on other forum versions and try to get close.

Cheers.
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Post #2 made 9 years ago
by joshua
Nicko for the Historical discussion on White rabbit Clone, vs the Hop Hog Clone....

see http://www.biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php ... 14&p=24483

If you are on the http://aussiehomebrewer.com site, check

http://aussiehomebrewer.com/topic/55284-hop-hog-clone/

another recipe out there is at....

https://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/hop-hog-clone

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Post #3 made 9 years ago
by nicko
joshua wrote:Nicko for the Historical discussion on White rabbit Clone, vs the Hop Hog Clone....

see viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1714&p=24483

If you are on the http://aussiehomebrewer.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; site, check

http://aussiehomebrewer.com/topic/55284-hop-hog-clone/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

another recipe out there is at....

https://www.brewtoad.com/recipes/hop-hog-clone" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These links may not help you, But what the Flock, look'em over.

Thanks mate, I was particularly interested in Aces High's version as it was apparently really good.. if I strike out then I'll check out some other versions and make a BIABacus..
Last edited by nicko on 27 Nov 2014, 10:37, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #4 made 9 years ago
by PistolPatch
If that lazy bugger Aces ( :) ) doesn't reply here in the next day or so nicko, I will dig through my files (and his emails) and see if I can come up with something for you ;).
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Post #5 made 9 years ago
by nicko
PistolPatch wrote:If that lazy bugger Aces ( :) ) doesn't reply here in the next day or so nicko, I will dig through my files (and his emails) and see if I can come up with something for you ;).
Thanks mate!
Last edited by nicko on 29 Nov 2014, 08:28, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #6 made 9 years ago
by nicko
Aces High, I may not have your Hop Hog recipe but what I do have is a unique set of skills..blah blah blah... Hunt you down etc etc.

(Much more memorable than a boring bump!)

:salute:

P.s. Bump. :lol:
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Post #7 made 9 years ago
by PistolPatch
Nick, here's a few things to get you going....

From an email to Aces entitled "Hop Hog Recipe"
Hop bust IPA 20-7-14

American IPA



Recipe Specs - [PP Note: NOT IN BIABACUS FORMAT - Grain Bill okay to copy. Hop Bill is vague.]

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Batch Size (L): 44.0

Total Grain (kg): 11.224

Total Hops (g): 449.37

Original Gravity (OG): 1.056 (°P): 13.8

Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (°P): 3.6

Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.50 %

Colour (SRM): 9.8 (EBC): 19.3

Bitterness (IBU): 65.9 (Average)

Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70

Boil Time (Minutes): 60



Grain Bill

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7.857 kg Maris Otter Malt (70%)

1.796 kg Pale Malt (16%)

0.898 kg Wheat Malt (8%)

0.449 kg Crystal 90 (4%)

0.224 kg Amber Malt (2%)



Hop Bill

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56.2 g Magnum - German Pellet (14.8% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

56.2 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

112.3 g Cascade Pellet (7.8% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (2.6 g/L)

56.2 g Galaxy Pellet (13.4% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

93.6 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (2.1 g/L)

37.4 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.9 g/L)

37.4 g Victoria Secret Pellet (16.1% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.9 g/L)



Misc Bill

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Single step Infusion at 66°C for 90 Minutes.

Fermented at 17°C with Wyeast 1272 - American Ale II


Also, received the following from TWOC brew supplies and put it into BIABacus (see below).

I wrote a quick text/note to myself after speaking to one of the guys at Feral but can't seem to find it now. The above recipes will get you started and might even match the occasional batch of Hop Hog. (I could wrote on this for hours but basically, the hops used and amounts used change regularly in a brewery because the supply and storage conditions are not constant.

Don't try to imitate exactly as you will always be disappointed. The brewers themselves cannot do it from batch to batch. Focus instead on what you find 'Wow' about that beer and focus on that. Lots of American hop flavour excite you? Focus on that and brew it.

My keyboard/computer is starting to play up and still would like to answer a few more questions so...

:peace:
PP

P.S. Sorry mate, my computer has gone to hell so can't give you the BIABacus file. I can tell you that Windows 8.0/1 is the crappest and most time-wasting software ever!!!!!! :evil:
Last edited by PistolPatch on 02 Dec 2014, 20:06, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #8 made 9 years ago
by nicko
PistolPatch wrote:Nick, here's a few things to get you going....

From an email to Aces entitled "Hop Hog Recipe"
Hop bust IPA 20-7-14

American IPA



Recipe Specs - [PP Note: NOT IN BIABACUS FORMAT - Grain Bill okay to copy. Hop Bill is vague.]

----------------

Batch Size (L): 44.0

Total Grain (kg): 11.224

Total Hops (g): 449.37

Original Gravity (OG): 1.056 (°P): 13.8

Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (°P): 3.6

Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.50 %

Colour (SRM): 9.8 (EBC): 19.3

Bitterness (IBU): 65.9 (Average)

Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70

Boil Time (Minutes): 60



Grain Bill

----------------

7.857 kg Maris Otter Malt (70%)

1.796 kg Pale Malt (16%)

0.898 kg Wheat Malt (8%)

0.449 kg Crystal 90 (4%)

0.224 kg Amber Malt (2%)



Hop Bill

----------------

56.2 g Magnum - German Pellet (14.8% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

56.2 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

112.3 g Cascade Pellet (7.8% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (2.6 g/L)

56.2 g Galaxy Pellet (13.4% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)

93.6 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (2.1 g/L)

37.4 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.9 g/L)

37.4 g Victoria Secret Pellet (16.1% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.9 g/L)



Misc Bill

----------------



Single step Infusion at 66°C for 90 Minutes.

Fermented at 17°C with Wyeast 1272 - American Ale II


Also, received the following from TWOC brew supplies and put it into BIABacus (see below).

I wrote a quick text/note to myself after speaking to one of the guys at Feral but can't seem to find it now. The above recipes will get you started and might even match the occasional batch of Hop Hog. (I could wrote on this for hours but basically, the hops used and amounts used change regularly in a brewery because the supply and storage conditions are not constant.

Don't try to imitate exactly as you will always be disappointed. The brewers themselves cannot do it from batch to batch. Focus instead on what you find 'Wow' about that beer and focus on that. Lots of American hop flavour excite you? Focus on that and brew it.

My keyboard/computer is starting to play up and still would like to answer a few more questions so...

:peace:
PP

P.S. Sorry mate, my computer has gone to hell so can't give you the BIABacus file. I can tell you that Windows 8.0/1 is the crappest and most time-wasting software ever!!!!!! :evil:
Thanks Pat,

There's a few different versions on the web, so I'll have a look at them all and might have a crack at my own. Galaxy is the only hop I can taste/smell for sure, but I'm still fairly new to hops, although my freezer is starting to get pretty full!

Cheers mate.
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Post #9 made 9 years ago
by PistolPatch
Nick, here is the recipe report I was trying to give yo yesterday. Can't give you the file as it is from an unreleased BIABacus version sorry. You'll have to type it in :dunno:
[center]BIABacus RECIPE REPORT[/center]
[center]BIAB Recipe Designer, Calculator and Scaler.[/center]
[center](Please visit http://www.biabrewer.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for the latest version.)[/center]
[center]LIPA - HH - TWOC - Batch A1[/center]

Recipe Overview

Brewer: BIABrewer
Style: American Pale Ale
Source Recipe Link: Most appropriate BIABrewer link.
ABV: 5.9% (assumes any priming sugar used is diluted.)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.059
IBU's (Tinseth): 46.5
Bitterness to Gravity Ratio: 0.79
Colour: 18.5 EBC = 9.4 SRM

Kettle Efficiency (as in EIB and EAW): 70 %
Efficiency into Fermentor (EIF): 70 %

Note: This is a Pure BIAB (Full-Volume) Mash: Saccharification

Times and Temperatures

Mash: 90 mins at 70 C = 158 F
Boil: 90 min
Ferment: 10 days at 18 C = 64.4 F

Volumes & Gravities
(Note that VAW below is the Volume at Flame-Out (VFO) less shrinkage.)
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Total Water Needed (TWN): 48.12 L = 12.71 G
Volume into Boil (VIB): 44.33 L = 11.71 G @ 1.045
Volume of Ambient Wort (VAW): 32.8 L = 8.66 G @ 1.059
Volume into Fermentor (VIF): 32.8 L = 8.66 G @ 1.059
Volume into Packaging (VIP): 31.2 L = 8.24 G @ 1.015 assuming apparent attenuation of 75 %

The Grain Bill (Also includes extracts, sugars and adjuncts)

Note: If extracts, sugars or adjuncts are not followed by an exclamation mark, go to http://www.biabrewer.info" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (needs link)

83.4% BB Pale Ale (6 EBC = 3 SRM) 7787 grams = 17.17 pounds
3.7% Vienna Malt (5.9 EBC = 3 SRM) 349 grams = 0.77 pounds
0.6% Acid (6 EBC = 3 SRM) 60 grams = 0.13 pounds
2.7% Caramunich 1 (100.5 EBC = 51 SRM) 250 grams = 0.55 pounds
2.7% Caramunich 111 (139.9 EBC = 71 SRM) 250 grams = 0.55 pounds

6.8% Carapils - Low alcohol only (6 EBC = 3 SRM) 639 grams = 1.41 pounds

The Hop Bill (Based on Tinseth Formula)

19.3 IBU Galaxy Pellets (12.3%AA) 22 grams = 0.776 ounces at 60 mins (First Wort Hopped)
17.3 IBU Citra/Galaxy Pellets (12.25%AA) 40 grams = 1.411 ounces at 15 mins
6.4 IBU Citra/Galaxy Pellets (12.3%AA) 20 grams = 0.705 ounces at 10 mins
3.5 IBU Citra/Galaxy Pellets (12.3%AA) 20 grams = 0.705 ounces at 5 mins
0 IBU Citra/Galaxy Pellets (12.3%AA) 40 grams = 1.411 ounces at flame-out
0 IBU Citra/Galaxy Pellets (12.3%AA) 80 grams = 2.822 ounces

Mash Steps

Mash Type: Pure BIAB (Full-Volume) Mash: Saccharification for 90 mins at 70 C = 158 F
Strike Water Needed (SWN): 49.07 L = 12.96 G at 71.9 C = 161.5 F
Mashout for 1 mins at 76 C = 168.8 F

Chilling & Hop Management Methods

Hopsock Used: y
Chilling Method: Immersion Chiller (Employed 0 mins after boil end.)

Fermentation & Conditioning

Fermentation: Safale US 05 for 10 days at 18 C = 64.4 F
Req. Volumes of CO2: 2.5
Serving Temp: 4 C = 39.2 F
Condition for 14 days.
Consume within 6 months.
Last edited by PistolPatch on 03 Dec 2014, 07:00, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #10 made 9 years ago
by nicko
Thanks Pat,

I'm going to try yours and also this one:

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 28 Hop Hog
Brewer: Darren
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 54.36 l
Post Boil Volume: 48.36 l
Batch Size (fermenter): 42.00 l
Bottling Volume: 41.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.055 SG
Estimated Color: 15.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 47.9 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 77.5 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
8.86 kg Pale Malt, Golden Promise (Thomas Fawcet Grain 1 85.0 %
1.04 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14.0 EBC) Grain 2 10.0 %
0.52 kg Caramunich I (Weyermann) (100.5 EBC) Grain 3 5.0 %
10.00 g Magnum [12.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 6.8 IBUs
1.00 tsp Brewbrite (Boil 10.0 mins) Fining 5 -
35.00 g Amarillo 2012 [8.90 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 6 6.3 IBUs
35.00 g Citra [11.20 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 7 8.0 IBUs
25.00 g Cascade [7.20 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 3.7 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 9 6.6 IBUs
15.00 g Centennial [10.20 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 10 3.1 IBUs
1.00 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Boil 10.0 mins) Other 11 -
33.00 g Amarillo 2012 [8.90 %] - Steep/Whirlpool Hop 12 3.0 IBUs
33.00 g Citra [11.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 10.0 Hop 13 3.8 IBUs
25.00 g Cascade [7.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 10.0 Hop 14 1.8 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 10.0 Hop 15 3.3 IBUs
15.00 g Centennial [10.20 %] - Steep/Whirlpool Hop 16 1.6 IBUs
2.0 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 17 -
35.00 g Amarillo 2012 [8.90 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Day Hop 18 0.0 IBUs
35.00 g Citra [11.20 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 19 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Cascade [7.20 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
25.00 g Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs
15.00 g Centennial [10.20 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 22 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 10.42 kg
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Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 27.17 l of water at 76.6 66.7 C 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (10.44l, 27.18l) of 75.6 C water
Notes:
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Created with BeerSmith 2 - http://www.beersmith.com

Recipe from:
http://brewadelaide.com/forum/index.php ... ic=1568.40
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Post #11 made 9 years ago
by PistolPatch
nicko, on Xmas Eve, I bought a $20 bottle (750ml) of beer from Deschutes brewery (Chasin' Freshies) that was brewed solely with Mozaic hops (my bottle did not mention Bravo as it does in the link). Three of us tasted it who know Feral Sly Fox and Hop Hog well. Mozaic definitely plays a big part in Sly Fox and. I believe, a considerable part in Hop Hog. I'm buying some of that, for sure!
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Post #12 made 9 years ago
by nicko
PistolPatch wrote:nicko, on Xmas Eve, I bought a $20 bottle (750ml) of beer from Deschutes brewery (Chasin' Freshies) that was brewed solely with Mozaic hops (my bottle did not mention Bravo as it does in the link). Three of us tasted it who know Feral Sly Fox and Hop Hog well. Mozaic definitely plays a big part in Sly Fox and. I believe, a considerable part in Hop Hog. I'm buying some of that, for sure!
Cool thanks Pat!
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Post #13 made 9 years ago
by PistolPatch
Just had a pint of the limited release, Stone and Wood Garden Ale which is 3.8%ABV and, "both kettle and dry hopped with Ella..." I'll get some more of this and take it around to my mates as this too reminds me totally of SlyFox and Hop Hog. Ella is an Australian hop and so it would make more sense for it to have played a part in these beers.

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