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Blonde - Jamil Zainasheff's recipe

Post #1 made 13 years ago
by rdeselle
Original recipe can be found here:
http://byo.com/stories/beer-styles/arti ... le-profile

Being this is my first calculation attempt and will be my first BIAB, hopefully I have done things right. I don't personally work well in metrics but google is my friend.


Style: Blonde
Name: Blondinebier
Yeast: Wyeast 1056 (American Ale) OR White Labs WLP001 (California Ale)
Fermentation Temperature: 67F
Original Gravity: 1.049
Total IBU's: 11.2
Colour (EBC):
Efficiency at End of Boil: 79%
Mash Length (mins): until enzymatic conversion is complete based on recipe??? What should this really be?
Boil Length (mins): 90
Your Vessel Type (Pot/Keggle/Urn): Pot
Source/Credits: Recipe is from Jamil Zainasheff
Notes/Instructions/Comments:


Volumes etc.

Your Vessel Volume (L or gal): 9 gal
Your Vessel Diameter (cm or in): 13 in
Water Required (L or gal): 29.44 L / 7.78 gal
Mash Temperature (C or F): 152 F
Volume at End of Boil (L or gal): 23.94 L
Volume into Fermenter (L or gal): 20.52 L
Brew Length (L or gal): 19 L ***Why is the output for this in L or gal when it is length of time?
Total Grain Bill (g or oz): 4837 g

Grains - Colours - Percentages and/or Weight (g or oz)

Grain 1: 10 lb. (4.53 kg) Great Western North American 2-row malt (2 °L)
Grain 2: 0.50 lb. (227 g) Great Western crystal malt (15 °L)

Hops - AA% - IBUs - Weight (g or oz) at Minutes

Hop 1: 4.1 AAU Willamette hops (60 min) (0.82 oz./23 g of 5% alpha acids)


Adjuncts/Minerals/Finings etc
Irish moss


Can someone confirm I have done things right? Where I went wrong? etc...
Last edited by rdeselle on 15 Aug 2012, 11:21, edited 3 times in total.

Post #2 made 13 years ago
by PistolPatch
Hi there rdselle and welcome to the forum :salute:

I thought I'd put this recipe into The Calculator and upload the file here so as you can compare it with your numbers above. The only number you'll need to change is the Pot Diameter on the first sheet. (Jamil's recipes are based on an end of boil volume of 22.7 L so I put this in cell E8 on the hop bill sheet.)

Your volume figures match mine except for the "Water Required" so that might be worth a double-check.

Finally, if you look on the right hand side of the second and third sheets, you'll see how much grain and hops to use - very close to the original recipe. If you have any questions though ask away ;).

"Brewlength" is a traditional brewing term to describe how much beer you are brewing. I still don't understand the history of it :scratch:. In the new version of The Calculator, any sort of confusing terminology like that has been replaced.

As for the mash length, just go for 90 minutes. It's a safe length of time and will give you slightly higher efficiency than a 60 minute mash. There's no real drama though in going for a 60 minute mash if you are short on time.

Hope the above makes some sense but don't hesitate to ask any questions ;).
PP
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Post #3 made 13 years ago
by rdeselle
Pistol, thanks so much for you help. I really appreciate it. Things are starting to make a little more sense to me in regards to the calculator.

One thing I probably should have done is searched for the grains needs for this recipe. I am not finding this grain that Jamil uses anywhere.

I am sure I can use another 2 row but that will ultimately really change the characteristics of the beer.

I'll look for another blonde recipe.

Post #4 made 13 years ago
by PistolPatch
No problems rd ;)

The Great Western is a Canadian malting company but this recipe will be fine with any American two row pale ale. Ring your brew shop and they'll be able to set you straight. Grain names can be very confusing for sure :shock:.

Glad to hear you are getting your head around The Calculator. That can be very confusing as well so if you get stuck, ask away. The next version should be a lot easier to grasp.

:peace:
PP
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Post #6 made 13 years ago
by PistolPatch
I'm not sure if I can answer that accurately rd :scratch:.

I had a crack earlier at answering this well and gave up. The BIABacus's aim has always been to make things very fast, easy and as powerful as possible for all-grain brewers, of all different levels using different equipment.

It's very easy to create a bit of brewing software that does a bit of the above and is pleasing to the eye. Anyone can do that. But it won't achieve a fraction of the above and it certainly won't be safe. As for versatility :smoke:.

The BIABacus will be primitive in its platform, it's just a spreadsheet. But that spreadsheet, looks good (we think), and is very fast to learn and has a heap of really valuable features, power and versatility never seen before.

But, even though the BIABacus is great, it's primary goal has always been to be an educational tool. This means good accompanying help instead of brewers having to search over and over again for clear, quality information.

How long will the help take to write and structure well so that the individual brewer of this level and with that equipment can find the best answer quickly?

I don't know but, as of today, that is our next and final area to look at.

The nice thing about this forum is that if you do have questions on anything like this, we are small enough to answer them well. So, it doesn't really matter when the BIABacus is released, you will stil get looked after.

And, in fact, much of the BIABacus is the result of questions asked in the Use this Thread to Convert Recipes thread.

As a generalisation, the best questions come from new brewers. Very few old brewers question the obvious. (Thankfully, we have a lot of those in BIAB and many of them do question what others don't question - they are gold!). The majority of learning is done by us humans at that very young age when we repeatedly say, "Why? Why? Why?"

Asking, "Why does this not make sense?" is the beginning of a process of intelligent education for anyone. The paradox in brewing is, in my opinion, being well educated helps you to focus on the important issues and there aren't too many of those. Being clumsily educated though gets you focussing on a hundred things that really don't matter.

:think:
PP
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Post #8 made 13 years ago
by rdeselle
So my first BIAB was a great success. Opened a bottle last night of this and it was great. I am going to let it sit for another week or so as it needs to carb in the bottle a little longer. But the taste was awesome.

Post #9 made 13 years ago
by BobBrews
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Post #10 made 10 years ago
by dkrolak
Using the same sources as above. http://byo.com/stories/beer-styles/arti ... le-profile

I am making Zainasheff's Blonde recipe as week. Attached in recipe converted to my equipment. My question is about the volumes Jamil uses. Where do I input Jamil's end of boil volume of 22.7L, which PP mentions in his reply, in my version of the Biabcus I attached.


Thanks

Don
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Post #11 made 10 years ago
by PistolPatch
You already have it in the correct place Doctor ;).

All you need to do is type in the AA% of the hops ou have or will be buying on the right hand side of Section D.

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Post #12 made 10 years ago
by dkrolak
I just brewed Jamil Zainasheff's American Blonde Ale recipe @ http://byo.com/stories/item/128-america ... le-profile. To scale the recipe I enter 22.7L for the VAW in Section D and 22.7L for the VIF in Section B. My OG was a little low and my efficiency were way off. Prior to pitching I add some DME to increase the OG. I was rereading the Jamil Zainasheff recipe and came across the info below. In order to scale this recipe to my equip should I have entered 19.0 L (VAW) in Section D? My completed Biabacus file is attached. Thanks

Blondinebier by Jamil Zainasheff.

(5 gallons/19 L, all-grain)
OG = 1.049 (12.2 °P)
FG = 1.011 (2.8 °P)
IBU = 20 SRM = 5 ABV = 5.0%
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Post #13 made 10 years ago
by PistolPatch
dk, the 19 L/5 gall) in Zaimasheff recipes refers to the Volume into Packaging - VIP so stay with the recommended 22.7 L for VAW.

Even if we didn't know the above, we could still tell that you have some sort of problem on this batch by looking at the kettle efficiencies (EIB and EAW) in Section P. It is great that you took several sets of volume and gravity measurements as your EAW seems to confirm your EIB.

There is nothing we can really learn though from one set of measurements on one brew - see Number Respect and Disrespect. If subsequent brews also show low kettle efficiencies, then we need to start exploring Some Common Reasons for a Low Efficiency Reading. Some of those common reasons you can explore before you even brew next.

For now, there is nothing to really do but brew again.

:drink:
PP
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