This is my attempt to make the Ultimate BIAB vessel . I took the idea form an english forum www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk . At this point I want to thank "Aleman" for providing vital info for thiw vessel .Some people in the forum stated above they use this vessel for mashing and some of them converted it using an electric element . So I decided to give it a go at this point my friend Michalis decided to involved to BIAB and we bought 2 vessels to convert them in these pictures is my vessel more simpler than my friends wich decided to make it more fancy with level gauge and temperature probe.
You can find it here http://shop.ebay.fr/catering-service-fr ... ksid=p3686 allthough they state that they ship only to France you can email them and ask for a quiote . catering-service-fr@bergland24.de .
The vessel I choose is 60 liter capacity but actually is 54 liter so If somebody is happy with 50 liter capacity is wiser to choose 50l vessel which is cheaper .
The measurments are H 50cm X Diameter 45cm external and 45H X 39,8 Diameter internal.
The insulation is made from foam material about 2 cm thick and the thickness of SS is about 0.6 milimeter.
The electric element we decide to use is custom made 3KW power and draws about 13A .
The cable used is 3X2,5 and the valve is a simple SS the legs in my case are Chrome plated.
The item shown at inside as a valve attachemnt I dont know exactly its description but we decided to use it as a hop stoper and perhaps a trub stoper.
I tested with plain water and the temeperature rise is a degree C per minute and holds temperature with ambient at 14C for 90 minutes with only 1 degree loss with the cover on of which is pretty good I think.
I am very happy that all worked well and I am looking forward to try it these days .
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43825130@N ... thermobox/
You can see some pictures at the above link.
Cheers!!!!!!!
Nik
Post #2 made 14 years ago
nice work!
warning: as far as i know, this type of heating element is for use when submerged in water only. that is because it must give off its heat to the water immediately. if it gets too hot it can burn out. therefore, if the bag touches the element and it can not disperse its heat immediately, it may burn out.
warning: as far as i know, this type of heating element is for use when submerged in water only. that is because it must give off its heat to the water immediately. if it gets too hot it can burn out. therefore, if the bag touches the element and it can not disperse its heat immediately, it may burn out.
Cube:
fermenter: Sourdough Spelt Ale, Classic Lambic, Oud Brune, Barrel Aged Belgian Dubbel
Kegs: Bob's Black IPA, Blanc Blond, Soda...
to be brewed:
fermenter: Sourdough Spelt Ale, Classic Lambic, Oud Brune, Barrel Aged Belgian Dubbel
Kegs: Bob's Black IPA, Blanc Blond, Soda...
to be brewed:
Post #3 made 14 years ago
I've tested somehow the setup and as long there is enough liquid in vessel nothing happened .
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Post #4 made 14 years ago
but did you test it with grain?
Cube:
fermenter: Sourdough Spelt Ale, Classic Lambic, Oud Brune, Barrel Aged Belgian Dubbel
Kegs: Bob's Black IPA, Blanc Blond, Soda...
to be brewed:
fermenter: Sourdough Spelt Ale, Classic Lambic, Oud Brune, Barrel Aged Belgian Dubbel
Kegs: Bob's Black IPA, Blanc Blond, Soda...
to be brewed:
Post #5 made 14 years ago
No I have filled the vessel with water 35lt (@18C) and added the bag with some empty bottles in it, in a manner that they force the bag to contact the element and applied heat near the boil temperature that means about 1/2 hour + conducting the element.
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Post #6 made 14 years ago
This looks really interesting nik but my French isn't what it used to be and I can't get my Translater to translate your eBay link properly.
Can you post a link to aleman's relevant thread on Jim'sBeerKit for us?
Can you post a link to aleman's relevant thread on Jim'sBeerKit for us?
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Post #7 made 14 years ago
My French are bad too I just sent an email in English with my quote and they answered in English.
Some usefull links...
http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/viewt ... =13&t=6433
http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/viewt ... =30&t=1709
Some of them they are double posts from the same users on both forums
and there are more on Jims Beerkit if you search by the keyword "thermobox"
Some usefull links...
http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/viewt ... =13&t=6433
http://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/viewt ... =30&t=1709
Some of them they are double posts from the same users on both forums
and there are more on Jims Beerkit if you search by the keyword "thermobox"
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Post #8 made 14 years ago
Thanks nik 
Lots of great pics there! I'm sure my following questions are probably answered in your links but can you save me some time by answering the following possibly silly questions?
Is the thermobox like a pot sitting inside another pot with 2cm of insulation in between? Is this insulation on the bottom and lid or just the sides?
These are the questions I am not readily getting answers to by looking at the pics.
One more question... Do you think they would work as fermenters?
PP
Lots of great pics there! I'm sure my following questions are probably answered in your links but can you save me some time by answering the following possibly silly questions?
Is the thermobox like a pot sitting inside another pot with 2cm of insulation in between? Is this insulation on the bottom and lid or just the sides?
These are the questions I am not readily getting answers to by looking at the pics.
One more question... Do you think they would work as fermenters?
PP
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Post #9 made 14 years ago
Nice work nik, love all the photos 
"It's beer Jim, but not as we know it."
Post #10 made 14 years ago
There is insulation everywhere of the same amount.
It can be used as a fermenter but needs special aproach to the flange of the lid to be more airtight.Other than that I cant see any disadvanatges.
It can be used as a fermenter but needs special aproach to the flange of the lid to be more airtight.Other than that I cant see any disadvanatges.
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Post #11 made 14 years ago
I have done my first batch with this vessel everything worked flawesly and didnt burned my bag.So I will keep it without protective grid.I believe the heating element is not so powerfull according to the water volume.
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Post #12 made 14 years ago
i have a unit with 2 1500 elements. i have not brewed with it yet
if you say the bag did not burn from your 3000W element, i will give mine a try without protective grid too.
if you say the bag did not burn from your 3000W element, i will give mine a try without protective grid too.
Cube:
fermenter: Sourdough Spelt Ale, Classic Lambic, Oud Brune, Barrel Aged Belgian Dubbel
Kegs: Bob's Black IPA, Blanc Blond, Soda...
to be brewed:
fermenter: Sourdough Spelt Ale, Classic Lambic, Oud Brune, Barrel Aged Belgian Dubbel
Kegs: Bob's Black IPA, Blanc Blond, Soda...
to be brewed:
Post #13 made 14 years ago
Do a test before brew just in case....May be we have different materials used for bag (It is made of polyester anyway) . The method I used is the following .
I heated the strike water to dough in temperature in my case 66 and + 3 degrees and when the desired temperature came I placed the bag and the grains while stirring and corrected the mash temperature.After that I've sealed the vessel and after a 60min mash I raised the temperature at mashout temp (75C) while stirring .Turned off the heat again waiting for 10 minutes and then removed the bag.
I tried not having the element on a long time (at my setup with 35liters of water the electric element raises the temperature by a degree per minute)
I heated the strike water to dough in temperature in my case 66 and + 3 degrees and when the desired temperature came I placed the bag and the grains while stirring and corrected the mash temperature.After that I've sealed the vessel and after a 60min mash I raised the temperature at mashout temp (75C) while stirring .Turned off the heat again waiting for 10 minutes and then removed the bag.
I tried not having the element on a long time (at my setup with 35liters of water the electric element raises the temperature by a degree per minute)
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Post #14 made 14 years ago
Thanks for the reply nik. Interesting stuff. I wish I could see one of these vessels first-hand. Everything you have posted so far sounds very positive.nik wrote:There is insulation everywhere of the same amount.
It can be used as a fermenter but needs special aproach to the flange of the lid to be more airtight.Other than that I cant see any disadvanatges.
PP
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Post #15 made 13 years ago
Well done nik,
The insulated vessels look fantastic for BIAB! It looks like it might have been tricky drilling through both layers of SS to install the ball valve and element. Any troubles with leaks?
I'm guessing the legs and wiring box are just fixed with screws through the 1st layer of SS and into the insulation area?
Freight costs would probably make importing one of these to Australia a deal breaker. I'm now curious about all the other ways you could insulate a stainless BIAB vessel. I have this really old Australian cookbook at home with plans for making a haybox cooker, basically a wooden crate which is insulated with hay to keep your stews cooking at a low temp while you leave the house. Interesting!
The insulated vessels look fantastic for BIAB! It looks like it might have been tricky drilling through both layers of SS to install the ball valve and element. Any troubles with leaks?
I'm guessing the legs and wiring box are just fixed with screws through the 1st layer of SS and into the insulation area?
Freight costs would probably make importing one of these to Australia a deal breaker. I'm now curious about all the other ways you could insulate a stainless BIAB vessel. I have this really old Australian cookbook at home with plans for making a haybox cooker, basically a wooden crate which is insulated with hay to keep your stews cooking at a low temp while you leave the house. Interesting!
Post #16 made 13 years ago
Hi Cameron.
With insulation I think it all depends on your heat source(and to some extent you location in the world). The electric guys are at an advantage in that the can leave there insulation in place whilst heating. Gas guys (me!) normally have to remove there lagging so as not to damage it.
I've played with several options but still revert back to 2 x sleeping bags and an old bean bag as they are easy and quick to wrap around. I've recently started to pre-heat the sleeping bags in the tumble drier before hand which helps a great deal to maintain temperatures.
Yeasty
With insulation I think it all depends on your heat source(and to some extent you location in the world). The electric guys are at an advantage in that the can leave there insulation in place whilst heating. Gas guys (me!) normally have to remove there lagging so as not to damage it.
I've played with several options but still revert back to 2 x sleeping bags and an old bean bag as they are easy and quick to wrap around. I've recently started to pre-heat the sleeping bags in the tumble drier before hand which helps a great deal to maintain temperatures.
Yeasty
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Post #17 made 13 years ago
Yep you guessed right all the external parts are fixed on the outer layer .So far I don't have trouble with leaks .Cameron wrote:Well done nik,
The insulated vessels look fantastic for BIAB! It looks like it might have been tricky drilling through both layers of SS to install the ball valve and element. Any troubles with leaks?
I'm guessing the legs and wiring box are just fixed with screws through the 1st layer of SS and into the insulation area?
Freight costs would probably make importing one of these to Australia a deal breaker. I'm now curious about all the other ways you could insulate a stainless BIAB vessel. I have this really old Australian cookbook at home with plans for making a haybox cooker, basically a wooden crate which is insulated with hay to keep your stews cooking at a low temp while you leave the house. Interesting!
As for shipping costs probably they will be much but ask them if you're interested on you never know.
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