I know that we have an international membership here, so I am appealing to those who don't live in Aus. I would like to access some recipes that use hops that are not in everyday use here. This is aimed mainly at the US of A. I am looking for recipes using Bravo, Cluster, Centennial, Nugget, Northern Brewer and Williamette hops. I have tried Googling for recipes but as I am not that computer savvy have not really had any success. If you could point me at some home brew forums with recipe bases, or just come up with the odd recipe, I would be most grateful.
Thank you.
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http://www.tastybrew.com/newrcp/styleview.html
http://beerrecipes.org/
http://www.homebrewrecipeexchange.com/r ... bydate.php
http://beerrecipes.org/
http://www.homebrewrecipeexchange.com/r ... bydate.php
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Post #5 made 13 years ago
Thank you all for those sites. I can see a whole day or so in front of the computer to check out all of those recipes.
Post #6 made 13 years ago
Just be careful of internet recipes Bob.
BIABrewer asked me to do a post on this subject for the BIABacus. I looked at about 40 recipes from the net and only found 3 that had sufficient information to be useful to other brewers. I couldn't find a single recipe website that was reliable or even close to reliable.
Here's where I'm up to so far in this draft. Maybe read it before you go spending a day on the net
PP
[center]What is an External Recipe?[/center]
An external recipe is a recipe you see presented in a book, somewhere on the internet or as a 'Recipe Report' from another brewing program. It is any recipe that is not presented to you as a BIABacus Report.
A few external recipes are presented extremely well, containing all the information you need to convert them successfully in a few seconds on the BIABacus. Many are atrocious and are actually impossible to covert or scale even with the powerful mathematics of the BIABacus.
The rest lie somewhere in between the above.
Let's have a quick look at high and low integrity recipes...
High Integrity: Bierre de Linde published in 'Brewing Classic Styles'.
We'll be looking at this recipe in more detail later thanks to ....(provide info). All the recipes from this book provide the critical information required for excellent recipe conversion. It is the largest collection of 'high integrity' recipes BIABrewer.info believes is available. For this reason, it is highly recommended that brewers use this book as their first foray into external recipes.
Low Integrity: Some Random Recipes on the Internet.
Here's one of many atrocious recipes we can very quickly find on the internet...It starts badly on the first line but get's a lot worse. One of the most basic figures (original gravity) is missing as are the hop alpha acid percentages. No amount of detective work will lead to a successful scaling of either the hop or grain bill of this recipe.
Here's another one where we could scale the grain bill with some detective work (or let the BIABacus do it instantly) but we are given no hope on hops!... This recipe is like one cook saying to another, "I threw some onions in the curry but you'll have to guess whether I threw in mild or hot ones."
The presentation of the above recipe looks professional. It even has a five star rating! One of the hardest things for a new brewer is to realise that what looks good on the internet can often be useless and that five star ratings based on votes might be due to a single vote cast by a single author.
One of the most important lessons in external recipe scaling is to learn what recipes are not worth your time.
Varying Integrity Recipes: 'Recipe Reports' are a great example.
Some recipes, from some software programs can be scaled to an acceptable degree of accuracy. Others cannot and many take a lot of detective work. The BIABacus is a very powerful investigative tool in this very difficult area of recipe scaling and conversion.
The BIABacus can be used to tell you if an external recipe (or even a software program) has integrity. If the recipe or program lacks integrity, it will however, allow you to take a 'best guess' at scaling the recipe.
Using the BIABacus to determine recipe and software integrity is a fascinating area and is covered in the (not sure what to call this?) section. It is very important though that you first understand how to convert or scale recipes that do have integrity.
Let's look at how quickly a high integrity recipe can be scaled in the BIABacus. [etc....]
BIABrewer asked me to do a post on this subject for the BIABacus. I looked at about 40 recipes from the net and only found 3 that had sufficient information to be useful to other brewers. I couldn't find a single recipe website that was reliable or even close to reliable.
Here's where I'm up to so far in this draft. Maybe read it before you go spending a day on the net
PP
[center]What is an External Recipe?[/center]
An external recipe is a recipe you see presented in a book, somewhere on the internet or as a 'Recipe Report' from another brewing program. It is any recipe that is not presented to you as a BIABacus Report.
A few external recipes are presented extremely well, containing all the information you need to convert them successfully in a few seconds on the BIABacus. Many are atrocious and are actually impossible to covert or scale even with the powerful mathematics of the BIABacus.
The rest lie somewhere in between the above.
Let's have a quick look at high and low integrity recipes...
High Integrity: Bierre de Linde published in 'Brewing Classic Styles'.
We'll be looking at this recipe in more detail later thanks to ....(provide info). All the recipes from this book provide the critical information required for excellent recipe conversion. It is the largest collection of 'high integrity' recipes BIABrewer.info believes is available. For this reason, it is highly recommended that brewers use this book as their first foray into external recipes.
Low Integrity: Some Random Recipes on the Internet.
Here's one of many atrocious recipes we can very quickly find on the internet...It starts badly on the first line but get's a lot worse. One of the most basic figures (original gravity) is missing as are the hop alpha acid percentages. No amount of detective work will lead to a successful scaling of either the hop or grain bill of this recipe.
Here's another one where we could scale the grain bill with some detective work (or let the BIABacus do it instantly) but we are given no hope on hops!... This recipe is like one cook saying to another, "I threw some onions in the curry but you'll have to guess whether I threw in mild or hot ones."
The presentation of the above recipe looks professional. It even has a five star rating! One of the hardest things for a new brewer is to realise that what looks good on the internet can often be useless and that five star ratings based on votes might be due to a single vote cast by a single author.
One of the most important lessons in external recipe scaling is to learn what recipes are not worth your time.
Varying Integrity Recipes: 'Recipe Reports' are a great example.
Some recipes, from some software programs can be scaled to an acceptable degree of accuracy. Others cannot and many take a lot of detective work. The BIABacus is a very powerful investigative tool in this very difficult area of recipe scaling and conversion.
The BIABacus can be used to tell you if an external recipe (or even a software program) has integrity. If the recipe or program lacks integrity, it will however, allow you to take a 'best guess' at scaling the recipe.
Using the BIABacus to determine recipe and software integrity is a fascinating area and is covered in the (not sure what to call this?) section. It is very important though that you first understand how to convert or scale recipes that do have integrity.
Let's look at how quickly a high integrity recipe can be scaled in the BIABacus. [etc....]
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Post #7 made 13 years ago
Thanks for that PP. I agree that the majority of recipes available are of no real use unless you are looking for a basic idea of something specific and are willing to experiment. I look for OG, FG, IBU and mash/boil times as a minimum, plus of course the target volume. AA % is a bonus, as are % of total grain bill for each grain. Do you know roughly when BIABacus will be released? Waiting patiently.
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You're better off with weights and AA%'s Bob as most recipes don't define the formula they are using. For example, look at the difference in IBU's on the BeerSmith 2 sample recipes depending on which IBU formula was used...As you can see, when someone says in a recipe that is was x IBU's, it is meaningless unless they tell you what method was used. Even if they tell you the method, the way one bit of software interprets the method/formula, will vary from another and rarely will you find a formula that scales correctly.
It's all a bit of a joke as the above picture clearly illustrates.
As for the release of the BIABacus, this is hard for me to estimate. The last beta version was released yesterday (version 121) and this is very close to as good as it is going to get in spreadsheet form. The BIABacus project has turned out to be far more complex and time-consuming than originally envisioned. One question that is now being asked is whether to release it in spreadsheet form (limited to platforms that will run Excel 2007 or above) or waiting another 6 months and releasing it as a fully functional program that will run on any platform. I'm sure that BIABrewer will let everyone know of the decision once it is made.
The best bet for now would be to send Pat a PM and ask to be part of the beta team. (You get dropped if you aren't active so make sure you are prepared to help or ask questions
). If you are an active poster here, I'm sure you would be accepted initially.
PP
It's all a bit of a joke as the above picture clearly illustrates.
As for the release of the BIABacus, this is hard for me to estimate. The last beta version was released yesterday (version 121) and this is very close to as good as it is going to get in spreadsheet form. The BIABacus project has turned out to be far more complex and time-consuming than originally envisioned. One question that is now being asked is whether to release it in spreadsheet form (limited to platforms that will run Excel 2007 or above) or waiting another 6 months and releasing it as a fully functional program that will run on any platform. I'm sure that BIABrewer will let everyone know of the decision once it is made.
The best bet for now would be to send Pat a PM and ask to be part of the beta team. (You get dropped if you aren't active so make sure you are prepared to help or ask questions
). If you are an active poster here, I'm sure you would be accepted initially. PP
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Post #9 made 13 years ago
Our club buys a lot from Hops Direct.
http://www.hopsdirect.com/store/domesti ... -hops.html
http://www.brew365.com/hop_substitution_chart.php
I know I have Willamette on hand and have probably used it in my Nut Brown ale.
http://www.hopsdirect.com/store/domesti ... -hops.html
http://www.brew365.com/hop_substitution_chart.php
I know I have Willamette on hand and have probably used it in my Nut Brown ale.
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Post #11 made 13 years ago
Here's an old one that's done the rounds a few times, but it's a fairly useful check when you are adapting recipes and wonder where a particular new hop fits in.
I know what PP means about recipes on the Web. I'm a keen Indian cook and got onto a fabulous recipe off an Indian Lady's site using a pressure cooker (I bought a pressure cooker to do slants but it's never left the kitchen yet ) - The recipe was just what I was looking for, and after really getting me excited, I came to the following line: "Bring pressure cooker to full steam, then cook for 2 toots".
WTF? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
) - The recipe was just what I was looking for, and after really getting me excited, I came to the following line: "Bring pressure cooker to full steam, then cook for 2 toots".WTF? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
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Post #12 made 13 years ago
LOL BB!
It might be old but it is a solid chart. Thanks for posting it...
I love breweries that do those single hopped IPA;s as it's a great way to learn the difference between hops. Unfortunately though, IPA's seem to be the only style where they do this,
Maybe a brewery will do a range of single hopped lagers one day???? I'd find that uber-fascinating!
It might be old but it is a solid chart. Thanks for posting it...
I love breweries that do those single hopped IPA;s as it's a great way to learn the difference between hops. Unfortunately though, IPA's seem to be the only style where they do this,
Maybe a brewery will do a range of single hopped lagers one day???? I'd find that uber-fascinating!
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